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		<title>By: Wayne</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2005/10/04/cool_macromedia/#comment-36106</link>
		<dc:creator>Wayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Oct 2005 09:14:22 +0000</pubDate>
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        &lt;p&gt;Clearly this shows that keeping up with the hundreds of different mobile devices is not trivial for any company trying to get a player or an application to run on mobile. &lt;br /&gt;
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<p>Clearly this shows that keeping up with the hundreds of different mobile devices is not trivial for any company trying to get a player or an application to run on mobile. 
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		<title>By: John Dowdell</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2005/10/04/cool_macromedia/#comment-36108</link>
		<dc:creator>John Dowdell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2005 14:50:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;div xmlns=&quot;http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;Update: We&#039;ve figured out a middle path -- those uncertified PocketPC systems can still do a free download of the 2003 Player, but we won&#039;t be able to provide any support for such systems. Bill Perry has more details here:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/devices/articles/fp6_pocketpc_removal.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/devices/articles/fp6_pocketpc_removal.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.flashdevices.net/2005/10/we-listened-flash-player-6-for-pocket.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.flashdevices.net/2005/10/we-listened-flash-player-6-for-pocket.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m sorry for the hassle last week, but does this now seem like a better situation to you...?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;jd/mm&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
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<p>Update: We&#8217;ve figured out a middle path &#8212; those uncertified PocketPC systems can still do a free download of the 2003 Player, but we won&#8217;t be able to provide any support for such systems. Bill Perry has more details here:<br />
<a href="http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/devices/articles/fp6_pocketpc_removal.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/devices/articles/fp6_pocketpc_removal.html</a><br />
<a href="http://www.flashdevices.net/2005/10/we-listened-flash-player-6-for-pocket.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.flashdevices.net/2005/10/we-listened-flash-player-6-for-pocket.html</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry for the hassle last week, but does this now seem like a better situation to you&#8230;?</p>
<p>jd/mm</p>
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		<title>By: fil</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2005/10/04/cool_macromedia/#comment-36110</link>
		<dc:creator>fil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2005 16:25:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;div xmlns=&quot;http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;This is what happened with Jeode in the PocketPC a few years ago.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Jeode stopped supplying the PPC JVM (Java) in PocketPC2002.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Depending on the device, Windows Mobile may or may not have Java support.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Unfortunately, for WM devices the iPAQ 5550 came with Jeode while the iPAQ 2215 did not (so no Java).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Flash appears to be goind down the same path.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
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<p>This is what happened with Jeode in the PocketPC a few years ago.</p>
<p>Jeode stopped supplying the PPC JVM (Java) in PocketPC2002.</p>
<p>Depending on the device, Windows Mobile may or may not have Java support.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, for WM devices the iPAQ 5550 came with Jeode while the iPAQ 2215 did not (so no Java).</p>
<p>Flash appears to be goind down the same path.</p>
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		<title>By: jk</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2005/10/04/cool_macromedia/#comment-36112</link>
		<dc:creator>jk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2005 15:19:52 +0000</pubDate>
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        &lt;p&gt;Mike, you are technically correct but it means that if the OEM of your device does not preinstall Flash in the ROM then you are out of luck.  It will affect a lot of people, potentially.&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>Mike, you are technically correct but it means that if the OEM of your device does not preinstall Flash in the ROM then you are out of luck.  It will affect a lot of people, potentially.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Krisher</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2005/10/04/cool_macromedia/#comment-36114</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Krisher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2005 14:44:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;div xmlns=&quot;http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;Just a note of clarification, Macromedia is not replacing the free PPC player with a cost of $499. The Flash plug-in for Pocket Internet Explorer is going away. What you get for $499, is the ability to take your Flash application for Pocket PC and save it out as a self-running EXE. Meaning, the device does not need the plug-in installed. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If you think about it, this makes sense. It&#039;s much easier to work with the OEMs on the SWF format running on the device and having more information about the device. With the new features of Pocket PC (VGA, etc...) the plug-in would be hard to continue to evolve constantly. It would require a lot of engineering resources I am guessing. However, providing developers a compiler for the platform is a much better use of resources if you ask me. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So Flash for Pocket PC is not dead. The plug-in to Pocket PC is just no longer supported. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Hope that clears up any confusion,&lt;br /&gt;
-- Mike&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
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<p>Just a note of clarification, Macromedia is not replacing the free PPC player with a cost of $499. The Flash plug-in for Pocket Internet Explorer is going away. What you get for $499, is the ability to take your Flash application for Pocket PC and save it out as a self-running EXE. Meaning, the device does not need the plug-in installed. </p>
<p>If you think about it, this makes sense. It&#8217;s much easier to work with the OEMs on the SWF format running on the device and having more information about the device. With the new features of Pocket PC (VGA, etc&#8230;) the plug-in would be hard to continue to evolve constantly. It would require a lot of engineering resources I am guessing. However, providing developers a compiler for the platform is a much better use of resources if you ask me. </p>
<p>So Flash for Pocket PC is not dead. The plug-in to Pocket PC is just no longer supported. </p>
<p>Hope that clears up any confusion,<br />
&#8211; Mike</p>
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		<title>By: John Dowdell</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2005/10/04/cool_macromedia/#comment-36115</link>
		<dc:creator>John Dowdell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2005 14:41:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;div xmlns=&quot;http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;Update: Bill Perry has a group-approved message here:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/devices/articles/fp6_pocketpc_removal.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/devices/articles/fp6_pocketpc_removal.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;There&#039;s also a feedback link at the bottom of the document, if issues remain, clarifications needed. (I don&#039;t feel qualified to extemporize further on the story myself.)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Good...?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;jd/mm&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
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<p>Update: Bill Perry has a group-approved message here:<br />
<a href="http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/devices/articles/fp6_pocketpc_removal.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/devices/articles/fp6_pocketpc_removal.html</a></p>
<p>There&#8217;s also a feedback link at the bottom of the document, if issues remain, clarifications needed. (I don&#8217;t feel qualified to extemporize further on the story myself.)</p>
<p>Good&#8230;?</p>
<p>jd/mm</p>
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		<title>By: Davey A</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2005/10/04/cool_macromedia/#comment-36116</link>
		<dc:creator>Davey A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Oct 2005 12:15:16 +0000</pubDate>
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        &lt;p&gt;The world&#039;s gone mad.&lt;br /&gt;
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<p>The world&#8217;s gone mad.
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		<title>By: larryni</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2005/10/04/cool_macromedia/#comment-36117</link>
		<dc:creator>larryni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Oct 2005 06:23:50 +0000</pubDate>
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        &lt;p&gt;Wow, I just checked the price in their UK store: £329 - this works out at $582.17!&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>Wow, I just checked the price in their UK store: £329 &#8211; this works out at $582.17!</p>
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		<title>By: VictorE</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2005/10/04/cool_macromedia/#comment-36118</link>
		<dc:creator>VictorE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Oct 2005 01:28:17 +0000</pubDate>
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        &lt;p&gt;Too bad, I guess I&#039;ll stick with the free Flash Player that they released last year.&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>Too bad, I guess I&#8217;ll stick with the free Flash Player that they released last year.</p>
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		<title>By: jk</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2005/10/04/cool_macromedia/#comment-36119</link>
		<dc:creator>jk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Oct 2005 19:19:37 +0000</pubDate>
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        &lt;p&gt;No typo- that&#039;s why I used the screen capture from their site.&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>No typo- that&#8217;s why I used the screen capture from their site.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Cane</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2005/10/04/cool_macromedia/#comment-36120</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Cane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Oct 2005 18:03:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;div xmlns=&quot;http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;I guess that&#039;s not a typo then?  It&#039;s not really $4.99, but close to five hundreds?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Amazing.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The one thing I always envied PPC having was that Flash ability.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;(OTOH, I never did actually get the player or *use* it on the now-dead GENIO... go figure.)&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
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<p>I guess that&#8217;s not a typo then?  It&#8217;s not really $4.99, but close to five hundreds?</p>
<p>Amazing.</p>
<p>The one thing I always envied PPC having was that Flash ability.</p>
<p>(OTOH, I never did actually get the player or *use* it on the now-dead GENIO&#8230; go figure.)</p>
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		<title>By: John Dowdell</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2005/10/04/cool_macromedia/#comment-36121</link>
		<dc:creator>John Dowdell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Oct 2005 14:21:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;div xmlns=&quot;http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;For what it&#039;s worth, the &quot;why&quot; of it is sort of complex, because of the various partnerships, from what I understand... I think Bill Perry may have more info up on it soon, and I&#039;d defer to him for the best word.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But here&#039;s a key point: No consumer should ever have to install something onto their pocket device. It&#039;s more work than with a computer. Having an installable version for developer use is just a stop-gap measure... the goal is to have SWF rendering be a key feature of any new shipping device. We&#039;re not there yet, obviously, but the progress towards that goal is strong.... ;-)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;More solid info as soon as possible, promise.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;jd/mm&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
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<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, the &#8220;why&#8221; of it is sort of complex, because of the various partnerships, from what I understand&#8230; I think Bill Perry may have more info up on it soon, and I&#8217;d defer to him for the best word.</p>
<p>But here&#8217;s a key point: No consumer should ever have to install something onto their pocket device. It&#8217;s more work than with a computer. Having an installable version for developer use is just a stop-gap measure&#8230; the goal is to have SWF rendering be a key feature of any new shipping device. We&#8217;re not there yet, obviously, but the progress towards that goal is strong&#8230;. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>More solid info as soon as possible, promise.</p>
<p>jd/mm</p>
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		<title>By: Scotty</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2005/10/04/cool_macromedia/#comment-36122</link>
		<dc:creator>Scotty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Oct 2005 14:04:52 +0000</pubDate>
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        &lt;p&gt;The change to the license was mentioned a couple months ago, but not the new price point. The issue seems to be set top boxes which are apparently based on the same Windows CE core that Pocket PCs are based upon. In order to cash in on the set top market they had to stick it to the Pocket PC market (unless you can get a Pocket PC with the Flash bundle...)&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>The change to the license was mentioned a couple months ago, but not the new price point. The issue seems to be set top boxes which are apparently based on the same Windows CE core that Pocket PCs are based upon. In order to cash in on the set top market they had to stick it to the Pocket PC market (unless you can get a Pocket PC with the Flash bundle&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: Josh Bancroft</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh Bancroft</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Oct 2005 12:56:24 +0000</pubDate>
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        &lt;p&gt;Idiots... *sigh*&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>Idiots&#8230; *sigh*</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2005/10/04/cool_macromedia/#comment-36124</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Oct 2005 11:36:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;div xmlns=&quot;http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m with you on this one.  I just don&#039;t undertsand why they would do this.  Why limit the flashplayers adoption?  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Makes no sense at all.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
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<p>I&#8217;m with you on this one.  I just don&#8217;t undertsand why they would do this.  Why limit the flashplayers adoption?  </p>
<p>Makes no sense at all.</p>
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		<title>By: e</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Oct 2005 10:29:34 +0000</pubDate>
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