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		<title>By: Christo</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2007/01/28/no_more_clean_i/#comment-26594</link>
		<dc:creator>Christo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 17:29:07 +0000</pubDate>
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        &lt;p&gt;There is a workaround, though, and this is completely legit with Microsoft&#039;s own DVDs. You can install Vista clean with the upgrade DVD, so long as you don&#039;t enter a CD key. Then you can &quot;upgrade&quot; from Vista to Vista (I know), with the CD key.&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>There is a workaround, though, and this is completely legit with Microsoft&#8217;s own DVDs. You can install Vista clean with the upgrade DVD, so long as you don&#8217;t enter a CD key. Then you can &#8220;upgrade&#8221; from Vista to Vista (I know), with the CD key.</p>
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		<title>By: Mickey Segal</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2007/01/28/no_more_clean_i/#comment-26596</link>
		<dc:creator>Mickey Segal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 10:16:48 +0000</pubDate>
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        &lt;p&gt;What if Vista is running but you want to redo your Upgrade installation as a Clean Install.  Can you put your Vista Upgrade DVD in and go through a clean install?&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>What if Vista is running but you want to redo your Upgrade installation as a Clean Install.  Can you put your Vista Upgrade DVD in and go through a clean install?</p>
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		<title>By: jk</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2007/01/28/no_more_clean_i/#comment-26598</link>
		<dc:creator>jk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 06:15:35 +0000</pubDate>
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        &lt;p&gt;What DailyTech is reporting and what I mentioned is that in the event you have a hosed installation of VIsta, meaning that like XP something corrupts and the OS won&#039;t run, then they report you have to install XP to survive the upgrade check and then Vista.  I haven&#039;t seen any proof that that is not the case.  I realize you can do a clean install and I hope DailyTech is in fact wrong, I can&#039;t believe MS would leave users in this situation.&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>What DailyTech is reporting and what I mentioned is that in the event you have a hosed installation of VIsta, meaning that like XP something corrupts and the OS won&#8217;t run, then they report you have to install XP to survive the upgrade check and then Vista.  I haven&#8217;t seen any proof that that is not the case.  I realize you can do a clean install and I hope DailyTech is in fact wrong, I can&#8217;t believe MS would leave users in this situation.</p>
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		<title>By: Benjamin Ries</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2007/01/28/no_more_clean_i/#comment-26600</link>
		<dc:creator>Benjamin Ries</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2007 20:45:30 +0000</pubDate>
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        &lt;p&gt;oops - last sentence I meant &quot;posting&quot; not &quot;posing&quot;.  There&#039;s MY correction! :)&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>oops &#8211; last sentence I meant &#8220;posting&#8221; not &#8220;posing&#8221;.  There&#8217;s MY correction! <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Benjamin Ries</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2007/01/28/no_more_clean_i/#comment-26601</link>
		<dc:creator>Benjamin Ries</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2007 20:43:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;div xmlns=&quot;http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;Respectfully JK, you&#039;re confusing a license upgrade with an upgrade installation procedure.  DailyTech&#039;s source is a Microsoft KB article, which clearly states that you can perform a &quot;clean install&quot; of Vista as long as you start the installation setup program from within a working version of Win XP/2000. (&lt;a href=&quot;http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/930985/en-us)&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/930985/en-us)&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;DailyTech&#039;s article may be misleading, but you&#039;re repeating ideas and implications (i.e. that Upgrade purchasers will be stuck with the &quot;legacy junk&quot;) that are patently false.  I really like that your site points out ignorance and errors in mainstream UMPC coverage; I suggest setting an example by posing a correction.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
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<p>Respectfully JK, you&#8217;re confusing a license upgrade with an upgrade installation procedure.  DailyTech&#8217;s source is a Microsoft KB article, which clearly states that you can perform a &#8220;clean install&#8221; of Vista as long as you start the installation setup program from within a working version of Win XP/2000. (<a href="http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/930985/en-us)" rel="nofollow">http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/930985/en-us)</a></p>
<p>DailyTech&#8217;s article may be misleading, but you&#8217;re repeating ideas and implications (i.e. that Upgrade purchasers will be stuck with the &#8220;legacy junk&#8221;) that are patently false.  I really like that your site points out ignorance and errors in mainstream UMPC coverage; I suggest setting an example by posing a correction.</p>
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		<title>By: Shogmaster</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2007/01/28/no_more_clean_i/#comment-26603</link>
		<dc:creator>Shogmaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jan 2007 22:51:38 +0000</pubDate>
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        &lt;p&gt;I was worried until I saw full version of 64bit Vista Ultimate OEM for $199 @ Newegg. That&#039;s cheap enough for me.&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>I was worried until I saw full version of 64bit Vista Ultimate OEM for $199 @ Newegg. That&#8217;s cheap enough for me.</p>
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		<title>By: Emily</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jan 2007 21:25:32 +0000</pubDate>
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        &lt;p&gt;The info that Microsoft gave the store I work at (Office Depot) says the same.  There are some versions of Windows that will require a clean install but you can still use an upgrade disk.  Every version is able to have a clean install with an upgrade disk, but it will check for a qualified previous version of Windows.&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>The info that Microsoft gave the store I work at (Office Depot) says the same.  There are some versions of Windows that will require a clean install but you can still use an upgrade disk.  Every version is able to have a clean install with an upgrade disk, but it will check for a qualified previous version of Windows.</p>
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		<title>By: jk</title>
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		<dc:creator>jk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jan 2007 19:54:24 +0000</pubDate>
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        &lt;p&gt;Jayson, you&#039;re right and I hope it stays that way.&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>Jayson, you&#8217;re right and I hope it stays that way.</p>
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		<title>By: Jayson Billington</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2007/01/28/no_more_clean_i/#comment-26609</link>
		<dc:creator>Jayson Billington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jan 2007 18:46:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Interesting.  This seems to directly contradict the marketing materials at online stores such as Amazon.com:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Windows Ultimate Upgrade:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Windows-Vista-Ultimate-UPGRADE/dp/B000HCTYTO/sr=1-2/qid=1169999304/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2/104-8934613-8497568?ie=UTF8&amp;s=software&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Windows-Vista-Ultimate-UPGRADE/dp/B000HCTYTO/sr=1-2/qid=1169999304/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2/104-8934613-8497568?ie=UTF8&amp;s=software&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Windows Home Premium Upgrade:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Windows-Vista-Premium-UPGRADE/dp/B000HCZ9BG/sr=1-2/qid=1170027836/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2/103-1330019-4986231?ie=UTF8&amp;s=software&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Windows-Vista-Premium-UPGRADE/dp/B000HCZ9BG/sr=1-2/qid=1170027836/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2/103-1330019-4986231?ie=UTF8&amp;s=software&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Both say:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;You can upgrade in-place, which means you can install Windows Vista and retain your applications, files, and settings as they were in your previous edition of Windows or you can do a clean install. If you are currently using Windows 2000 Professional or Windows XP Professional x64, you are eligible for an upgrade copy to a corresponding or better edition of Windows Vista, but a clean install is required. For versions of Windows earlier than Windows 2000, upgrade copies are not available. These earlier versions of Windows require you to install a full copy of Windows Vista.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting.  This seems to directly contradict the marketing materials at online stores such as Amazon.com:</p>
<p>Windows Ultimate Upgrade:<br />
<a href="http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Windows-Vista-Ultimate-UPGRADE/dp/B000HCTYTO/sr=1-2/qid=1169999304/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2/104-8934613-8497568?ie=UTF8&#038;s=software" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Windows-Vista-Ultimate-UPGRADE/dp/B000HCTYTO/sr=1-2/qid=1169999304/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2/104-8934613-8497568?ie=UTF8&#038;s=software</a></p>
<p>Windows Home Premium Upgrade:<br />
<a href="http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Windows-Vista-Premium-UPGRADE/dp/B000HCZ9BG/sr=1-2/qid=1170027836/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2/103-1330019-4986231?ie=UTF8&#038;s=software" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Windows-Vista-Premium-UPGRADE/dp/B000HCZ9BG/sr=1-2/qid=1170027836/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2/103-1330019-4986231?ie=UTF8&#038;s=software</a></p>
<p>Both say:</p>
<p>You can upgrade in-place, which means you can install Windows Vista and retain your applications, files, and settings as they were in your previous edition of Windows or you can do a clean install. If you are currently using Windows 2000 Professional or Windows XP Professional x64, you are eligible for an upgrade copy to a corresponding or better edition of Windows Vista, but a clean install is required. For versions of Windows earlier than Windows 2000, upgrade copies are not available. These earlier versions of Windows require you to install a full copy of Windows Vista.</p>
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		<title>By: jk</title>
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		<dc:creator>jk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jan 2007 18:27:53 +0000</pubDate>
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        &lt;p&gt;Dave, read the fine print, it should spell it out.&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>Dave, read the fine print, it should spell it out.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Zatz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Zatz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jan 2007 18:24:49 +0000</pubDate>
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        &lt;p&gt;I wonder what HP is going to send me? I bought my MCE PC in October knowing I would get a copy of Vista in February. Will it be an upgrade CD or full copy? I was planning to blowing everything away and doing a clean install (some DVICO drivers killed this system and result in freezes-of-death every other day or so).&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>I wonder what HP is going to send me? I bought my MCE PC in October knowing I would get a copy of Vista in February. Will it be an upgrade CD or full copy? I was planning to blowing everything away and doing a clean install (some DVICO drivers killed this system and result in freezes-of-death every other day or so).</p>
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