Comments on: And the secret device is- HTC Shift, US version with Sprint EV-DO http://jkontherun.com/2008/03/19/and-the-secret/ Using mobile devices since they weighed 30 lbs. Tue, 17 Nov 2009 04:27:12 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Logan M http://jkontherun.com/2008/03/19/and-the-secret/#comment-11766 Logan M Sun, 23 Mar 2008 23:32:13 +0000 http://jkontherun.wordpress.com/2008/03/19/and-the-secret#comment-11766 <div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"> <p>Hehe, I was right!! Does that mean I get a prize?? Ooh, you could give me that shift when you are done with it. =P</p> </div>

Hehe, I was right!! Does that mean I get a prize?? Ooh, you could give me that shift when you are done with it. =P

]]> By: Gavin Miller http://jkontherun.com/2008/03/19/and-the-secret/#comment-11768 Gavin Miller Thu, 20 Mar 2008 13:20:55 +0000 http://jkontherun.wordpress.com/2008/03/19/and-the-secret#comment-11768 <div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><p>'Next Gen please!'</p> <p>But if we kept saying that we'd still have our 30lb devices! ;-)</p> <p>The Shift is a very small device so has a very small battery (it also has a teeny charger, bonus!). Maybe we'll see an extended battery but who knows. I believe HTC are offering buyers in the US a second battery for $50.</p></div>

‘Next Gen please!’

But if we kept saying that we’d still have our 30lb devices! ;-)

The Shift is a very small device so has a very small battery (it also has a teeny charger, bonus!). Maybe we’ll see an extended battery but who knows. I believe HTC are offering buyers in the US a second battery for $50.

]]> By: Boca http://jkontherun.com/2008/03/19/and-the-secret/#comment-11769 Boca Thu, 20 Mar 2008 10:05:57 +0000 http://jkontherun.wordpress.com/2008/03/19/and-the-secret#comment-11769 <div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><p>The idea of marrying these two technologies (Windows and Windows Mobile), is I think a win... but not in this incarnation.</p> <p>I have an Advantage and the U810, but I don't carry both around with me at the same time. However I miss the features of which ever device I have left at home.</p> <p>The trouble is, as Mike and HG say, that this has come a bit too late. Devices have developed such a long way in the last 12 months and along with that so have our minimum expectations for these products.</p> <p>OQO and Sony get away with crappy battery life because they can shout about speed and power to the consumers, but they are being squeezed as well.</p> <p>This is close... but makes too many compromises. It is not a real pocket PC and it is not real UMPC competitor.</p> <p>Next Gen please!</p></div>

The idea of marrying these two technologies (Windows and Windows Mobile), is I think a win… but not in this incarnation.

I have an Advantage and the U810, but I don’t carry both around with me at the same time. However I miss the features of which ever device I have left at home.

The trouble is, as Mike and HG say, that this has come a bit too late. Devices have developed such a long way in the last 12 months and along with that so have our minimum expectations for these products.

OQO and Sony get away with crappy battery life because they can shout about speed and power to the consumers, but they are being squeezed as well.

This is close… but makes too many compromises. It is not a real pocket PC and it is not real UMPC competitor.

Next Gen please!

]]> By: Lee http://jkontherun.com/2008/03/19/and-the-secret/#comment-11771 Lee Thu, 20 Mar 2008 10:00:56 +0000 http://jkontherun.wordpress.com/2008/03/19/and-the-secret#comment-11771 <div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"> <p>Two hours of battery life makes this a portable device, not a mobile device.</p> </div>

Two hours of battery life makes this a portable device, not a mobile device.

]]> By: nomo http://jkontherun.com/2008/03/19/and-the-secret/#comment-11774 nomo Thu, 20 Mar 2008 08:50:29 +0000 http://jkontherun.wordpress.com/2008/03/19/and-the-secret#comment-11774 <div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"> <p>The HP2133 is an attractive machine, but the processing speed and large footprint will not fit my needs. It also lacks the level of availability I was seeking.</p> </div>

The HP2133 is an attractive machine, but the processing speed and large footprint will not fit my needs. It also lacks the level of availability I was seeking.

]]> By: Mike Cane http://jkontherun.com/2008/03/19/and-the-secret/#comment-11775 Mike Cane Thu, 20 Mar 2008 08:09:42 +0000 http://jkontherun.wordpress.com/2008/03/19/and-the-secret#comment-11775 <div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><p>Sorry, but this thing is not just so last year, it's so year BEFORE last year.</p> <p>Now if you had actually gotten an hp2133 ...</p></div>

Sorry, but this thing is not just so last year, it’s so year BEFORE last year.

Now if you had actually gotten an hp2133 …

]]> By: Gavin Miller http://jkontherun.com/2008/03/19/and-the-secret/#comment-11776 Gavin Miller Thu, 20 Mar 2008 08:02:58 +0000 http://jkontherun.wordpress.com/2008/03/19/and-the-secret#comment-11776 <div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><p>Great comments guys.</p> <p>The developer/hacker community is hard at work adding back in all sorts of hidden functionality. It has been confirmed also there is a live GPS in there. Ideally I would love the ability of instant on, be able to read attachments sent to me and make use of GPS functionality all in the low power Windows Mobile side. As regards Eee comparisons I have both and would say that this is a different device really, touchscreen tablet , smaller with a better (imo) screen. Like I posted before full WiMo makes this feel like one of the old Psions which were great little productivity machines with long battery life and good keyboards.</p></div>

Great comments guys.

The developer/hacker community is hard at work adding back in all sorts of hidden functionality. It has been confirmed also there is a live GPS in there. Ideally I would love the ability of instant on, be able to read attachments sent to me and make use of GPS functionality all in the low power Windows Mobile side. As regards Eee comparisons I have both and would say that this is a different device really, touchscreen tablet , smaller with a better (imo) screen. Like I posted before full WiMo makes this feel like one of the old Psions which were great little productivity machines with long battery life and good keyboards.

]]> By: nomo http://jkontherun.com/2008/03/19/and-the-secret/#comment-11778 nomo Thu, 20 Mar 2008 07:20:46 +0000 http://jkontherun.wordpress.com/2008/03/19/and-the-secret#comment-11778 <p>Gavin Miller & kamikun: Sounds like there are at least three people in the market for a PDA-PC. After looking at UMPCs and smart phones, I decided to go with a Fujitsu P1610. Outlook with Contact Manager provides PDA features, sleep mode emulates instant-on capability, swappable 6-cell batteries provide all-day computing, and the 8.9" display is extremely practical. Plus it's a configurable PC with a tablet interface. The downside: it's more expensive and about 1 lb heavier than a SHIFT-type device. The P1610 has shortcomings, but it's a workable solution that's available today. (The P1620 is a better product, but the P1610 is only about $800 now.)</p> Gavin Miller & kamikun: Sounds like there are at least three people in the market for a PDA-PC. After looking at UMPCs and smart phones, I decided to go with a Fujitsu P1610. Outlook with Contact Manager provides PDA features, sleep mode emulates instant-on capability, swappable 6-cell batteries provide all-day computing, and the 8.9″ display is extremely practical. Plus it’s a configurable PC with a tablet interface. The downside: it’s more expensive and about 1 lb heavier than a SHIFT-type device. The P1610 has shortcomings, but it’s a workable solution that’s available today. (The P1620 is a better product, but the P1610 is only about $800 now.)

]]> By: kamikun http://jkontherun.com/2008/03/19/and-the-secret/#comment-11779 kamikun Wed, 19 Mar 2008 22:47:02 +0000 http://jkontherun.wordpress.com/2008/03/19/and-the-secret#comment-11779 <div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><p>Gavin Millersaid: "The value proposition is better if it's a full WiMo PDA with instant on, long battery and a usable keyboard along with a full Vista UMPC for when you need a 'proper' PC."</p> <p>THIS! (Like the kids say these days...) I said before that without full WM functionality this machine isn't really any more than another me-too UMPC in the market. With WM it becomes a real workplace and in-the-field alternative!</p></div>

Gavin Millersaid: “The value proposition is better if it’s a full WiMo PDA with instant on, long battery and a usable keyboard along with a full Vista UMPC for when you need a ‘proper’ PC.”

THIS! (Like the kids say these days…) I said before that without full WM functionality this machine isn’t really any more than another me-too UMPC in the market. With WM it becomes a real workplace and in-the-field alternative!

]]> By: tinotino http://jkontherun.com/2008/03/19/and-the-secret/#comment-11781 tinotino Wed, 19 Mar 2008 22:10:19 +0000 http://jkontherun.wordpress.com/2008/03/19/and-the-secret#comment-11781 <div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><p>It doesn't compare very well with the EEE IMO. Look, </p> <p>screen: same size and rez but inferior to the 9" model<br /> keyboard: smaller than the EEE<br /> size weight: narrower than the EEE and weight 15% less but both need very similar type of bag to carry (manpurse)<br /> connectivity: has bluetooth and 3G but nothing a $10 and a $100 USB module can't fix.<br /> power: A110 is probably less productive in running XP programs than Celeron, plus you can overclock the EEE<br /> battery: slightly longer than the EEE, probably not much more<br /> price: double that of the EEE, at least!</p> <p>If you bother to hack an internal bluetooth to the EEE, I don't even think its an overall inferior UMPC, regardless of the price! That's not very good.</p></div>

It doesn’t compare very well with the EEE IMO. Look,

screen: same size and rez but inferior to the 9″ model
keyboard: smaller than the EEE
size weight: narrower than the EEE and weight 15% less but both need very similar type of bag to carry (manpurse)
connectivity: has bluetooth and 3G but nothing a $10 and a $100 USB module can’t fix.
power: A110 is probably less productive in running XP programs than Celeron, plus you can overclock the EEE
battery: slightly longer than the EEE, probably not much more
price: double that of the EEE, at least!

If you bother to hack an internal bluetooth to the EEE, I don’t even think its an overall inferior UMPC, regardless of the price! That’s not very good.

]]> By: HG http://jkontherun.com/2008/03/19/and-the-secret/#comment-11783 HG Wed, 19 Mar 2008 20:26:09 +0000 http://jkontherun.wordpress.com/2008/03/19/and-the-secret#comment-11783 <div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"> <p>This device would have been a great device last year. The reason is there is more umps, for a lot less than the HTC Shift. Also battery life is a concern for some; been that you get 2hrs. I get Shrs on my Fujitsu U810 which is very nice. I can actually almost get by, using the standby in between for what I use it. I also have a Samsung Q1P that has 800X480 and I like the 1024X600res better. What HTC needs to do is upgrade it to the specs of the Fujitsu P1620.</p> </div>

This device would have been a great device last year. The reason is there is more umps, for a lot less than the HTC Shift. Also battery life is a concern for some; been that you get 2hrs. I get Shrs on my Fujitsu U810 which is very nice. I can actually almost get by, using the standby in between for what I use it. I also have a Samsung Q1P that has 800X480 and I like the 1024X600res better. What HTC needs to do is upgrade it to the specs of the Fujitsu P1620.

]]> By: Bryan http://jkontherun.com/2008/03/19/and-the-secret/#comment-11784 Bryan Wed, 19 Mar 2008 20:20:39 +0000 http://jkontherun.wordpress.com/2008/03/19/and-the-secret#comment-11784 <div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><p>I think I saw a review of this not to long ago. The battery life is about 2-3 hours with Vista running, but is much longer (like 7 days?) if it has just Windows Mobile running.</p> <p>On the review I saw it said this isn't meant to be used as a phone (with voice) but I wonder if you can pair it with a blue tooth headset and talk that way.</p></div>

I think I saw a review of this not to long ago. The battery life is about 2-3 hours with Vista running, but is much longer (like 7 days?) if it has just Windows Mobile running.

On the review I saw it said this isn’t meant to be used as a phone (with voice) but I wonder if you can pair it with a blue tooth headset and talk that way.

]]> By: Nate http://jkontherun.com/2008/03/19/and-the-secret/#comment-11786 Nate Wed, 19 Mar 2008 19:45:08 +0000 http://jkontherun.wordpress.com/2008/03/19/and-the-secret#comment-11786 <div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><p>The price is a bit much, but I've never really let that get in the way.</p> <p>Two hour battery life, huh? That's a bit troublesome.</p></div>

The price is a bit much, but I’ve never really let that get in the way.

Two hour battery life, huh? That’s a bit troublesome.

]]> By: Gavin Miller http://jkontherun.com/2008/03/19/and-the-secret/#comment-11788 Gavin Miller Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:07:20 +0000 http://jkontherun.wordpress.com/2008/03/19/and-the-secret#comment-11788 <div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"> <p>Well, there is the 2 hour battery life! I've picked up a Tekkeon Mypower 3450 for long trips. Plus it is still quite pricey but I saw it as a very versatile device so took the plunge!</p> </div>

Well, there is the 2 hour battery life! I’ve picked up a Tekkeon Mypower 3450 for long trips. Plus it is still quite pricey but I saw it as a very versatile device so took the plunge!

]]> By: Nate http://jkontherun.com/2008/03/19/and-the-secret/#comment-11790 Nate Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:01:51 +0000 http://jkontherun.wordpress.com/2008/03/19/and-the-secret#comment-11790 <div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"> <p>Damn. I'm trying to figure out reasons to talk myself out of wanting this thing.</p> </div>

Damn. I’m trying to figure out reasons to talk myself out of wanting this thing.

]]> By: Gavin Miller http://jkontherun.com/2008/03/19/and-the-secret/#comment-11792 Gavin Miller Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:58:59 +0000 http://jkontherun.wordpress.com/2008/03/19/and-the-secret#comment-11792 <div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"><p>Nate</p> <p>It's probably the best of the UMPCs. It's not as good as an Eee keyboard but then as a device this is a fair bit smaller. Reminds me a bit of a Psion 5 which is a good thing! It's certainly perfectly usable. </p></div>

Nate

It’s probably the best of the UMPCs. It’s not as good as an Eee keyboard but then as a device this is a fair bit smaller. Reminds me a bit of a Psion 5 which is a good thing! It’s certainly perfectly usable.

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