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		<title>By: Anton P. Nym</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2008/04/04/mobile-devices/#comment-11058</link>
		<dc:creator>Anton P. Nym</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 07:53:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;div xmlns=&quot;http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;I use the sleep/hibernate function on my Q1 vanilla; I set the power switch from &quot;power off&quot; to &quot;sleep&quot;, and then the power management software takes it down to &quot;hibernate&quot; after 15(?) minutes in sleep.  I do this because I&#039;m a battery miser, and often when I power down it&#039;s going to be off for 4-6 hours at a time.  For that, the extra 30 seconds to come back from hibernation feels worthwhile for the extra minutes of up-time.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Plus, before I went to this scheme I got careless once and left the thing on sleep so long there wasn&#039;t enough juice to wake it up and drop into hibernate so I could swap the battery.  I had to yank the battery out while it was in sleep, which of course dumps the session.  I *hate* rebooting while on battery power...&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt; -- Steve&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
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<p>I use the sleep/hibernate function on my Q1 vanilla; I set the power switch from &#8220;power off&#8221; to &#8220;sleep&#8221;, and then the power management software takes it down to &#8220;hibernate&#8221; after 15(?) minutes in sleep.  I do this because I&#8217;m a battery miser, and often when I power down it&#8217;s going to be off for 4-6 hours at a time.  For that, the extra 30 seconds to come back from hibernation feels worthwhile for the extra minutes of up-time.</p>
<p>Plus, before I went to this scheme I got careless once and left the thing on sleep so long there wasn&#8217;t enough juice to wake it up and drop into hibernate so I could swap the battery.  I had to yank the battery out while it was in sleep, which of course dumps the session.  I *hate* rebooting while on battery power&#8230;</p>
<p> &#8212; Steve</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2008/04/04/mobile-devices/#comment-11060</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 21:33:37 +0000</pubDate>
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        &lt;p&gt;@Anthonee - I think your issue might be related to the hardware that you&#039;re using - I&#039;m running vista home premium on my hp dv6000 and I haven&#039;t encountered any issues as a result of repeat hibernation/wake cycles. I do tend to close all programs before I hibernate though, so that might be it, and vista came installed, so the drivers have probably been updated and tested beforehand. Just my 2c. 7sec boot from hibernation FTW! (sorry, too much coffee...feeling a bit giddy)&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>@Anthonee &#8211; I think your issue might be related to the hardware that you&#8217;re using &#8211; I&#8217;m running vista home premium on my hp dv6000 and I haven&#8217;t encountered any issues as a result of repeat hibernation/wake cycles. I do tend to close all programs before I hibernate though, so that might be it, and vista came installed, so the drivers have probably been updated and tested beforehand. Just my 2c. 7sec boot from hibernation FTW! (sorry, too much coffee&#8230;feeling a bit giddy)</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2008/04/04/mobile-devices/#comment-11062</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 21:25:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;div xmlns=&quot;http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;I think boot-times aren&#039;t so important for me because I do have sleep and hibernate options, but I do appreciate it for the times when I have to reboot after installing new software.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Having said that, I think boot times are still handy to know, since it does give you an indication of the hardware performance of the device, and you can never have too much data when shopping for a new device IMHO.&lt;br /&gt;
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<p>I think boot-times aren&#8217;t so important for me because I do have sleep and hibernate options, but I do appreciate it for the times when I have to reboot after installing new software.</p>
<p>Having said that, I think boot times are still handy to know, since it does give you an indication of the hardware performance of the device, and you can never have too much data when shopping for a new device IMHO.
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		<title>By: Randy</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2008/04/04/mobile-devices/#comment-11064</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 14:26:42 +0000</pubDate>
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        &lt;p&gt;I didn&#039;t start using sleep til I got my Macbook. On my old XP-based tablet, I could only do a couple of sleep/hibernate cycles before the system would become unstable (wireless would stop working, Toshiba utilities would crash, etc). With my Mac I only shut it down perhaps once a month, and only reboot when Software Update makes me.&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>I didn&#8217;t start using sleep til I got my Macbook. On my old XP-based tablet, I could only do a couple of sleep/hibernate cycles before the system would become unstable (wireless would stop working, Toshiba utilities would crash, etc). With my Mac I only shut it down perhaps once a month, and only reboot when Software Update makes me.</p>
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		<title>By: tpc Anthonee</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2008/04/04/mobile-devices/#comment-11072</link>
		<dc:creator>tpc Anthonee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 07:37:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;div xmlns=&quot;http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;I never use hibernate or sleep as Vista always goes into a spin. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;When I first installed Vista I had a 12 minute wait till the machine was usable. (I have a Thinkpad T60p with 2.6 Core 2 Duo and 4Gb RAM).  This doubled to 24 min if a reboot was required! I reduced the start up time with a clean install, now about 6-7 minutes. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Hibernate and sleep usually results in the need for a reboot anyway, so I don&#039;t bother!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
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<p>I never use hibernate or sleep as Vista always goes into a spin. </p>
<p>When I first installed Vista I had a 12 minute wait till the machine was usable. (I have a Thinkpad T60p with 2.6 Core 2 Duo and 4Gb RAM).  This doubled to 24 min if a reboot was required! I reduced the start up time with a clean install, now about 6-7 minutes. </p>
<p>Hibernate and sleep usually results in the need for a reboot anyway, so I don&#8217;t bother!</p>
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		<title>By: Stephan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 19:20:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;div xmlns=&quot;http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;James your comment about remembering to turn off the power management features reminded me of a problem I&#039;m having. Here&#039;s the scenario:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I have an BT expresscard mogo mouse for my 2710p.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I mate it to my notebook and it works, until I put my computer to sleep.  After that, I have to go through the whole procedure again of installing a new bluetooth device.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I have turned off the power management feature in the device manager.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Why won&#039;t it reconnect after the notebook awakes?!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
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<p>James your comment about remembering to turn off the power management features reminded me of a problem I&#8217;m having. Here&#8217;s the scenario:</p>
<p>I have an BT expresscard mogo mouse for my 2710p.</p>
<p>I mate it to my notebook and it works, until I put my computer to sleep.  After that, I have to go through the whole procedure again of installing a new bluetooth device.</p>
<p>I have turned off the power management feature in the device manager.</p>
<p>Why won&#8217;t it reconnect after the notebook awakes?!</p>
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		<title>By: James Kendrick</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2008/04/04/mobile-devices/#comment-11078</link>
		<dc:creator>James Kendrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 14:24:34 +0000</pubDate>
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        &lt;p&gt;Steve, why don&#039;t you just use Google Browser Sync for Firefox?  It&#039;s much easier than what you describe and works flawlessly.&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>Steve, why don&#8217;t you just use Google Browser Sync for Firefox?  It&#8217;s much easier than what you describe and works flawlessly.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 14:14:31 +0000</pubDate>
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        &lt;p&gt;Boot ime is important to me. I have an everun UMPC which can also be used as an external USB2.0 HDD. On this drive i locate my Firefox portable. When i use the everun on the road i use this portable version of firefox. To keep browser sync when i am at home or in the office i connect the everun to the USB of the PC i will use and run the same portable firefox. To access it the everun needs to be shutdown not just in sleep mode. So daily i need to shutdown and reboot the everun several times. &lt;/p&gt;
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<p>Boot ime is important to me. I have an everun UMPC which can also be used as an external USB2.0 HDD. On this drive i locate my Firefox portable. When i use the everun on the road i use this portable version of firefox. To keep browser sync when i am at home or in the office i connect the everun to the USB of the PC i will use and run the same portable firefox. To access it the everun needs to be shutdown not just in sleep mode. So daily i need to shutdown and reboot the everun several times. </p>
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		<title>By: Sam Rabeeh</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2008/04/04/mobile-devices/#comment-11088</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Rabeeh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 14:08:11 +0000</pubDate>
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        &lt;p&gt;I&#039;m surprised nobody remembers that boot time has always been used as an informal evaluator of overall performance of any machine.&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>I&#8217;m surprised nobody remembers that boot time has always been used as an informal evaluator of overall performance of any machine.</p>
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		<title>By: vm-01</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2008/04/04/mobile-devices/#comment-11090</link>
		<dc:creator>vm-01</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 11:16:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;div xmlns=&quot;http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;Anyone remember the article about Erny the attourney?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;He said he wouldn&#039;t use a tablet because he could picture his tablet crashing in the middle of a trial and having to reboot.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
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<p>Anyone remember the article about Erny the attourney?</p>
<p>He said he wouldn&#8217;t use a tablet because he could picture his tablet crashing in the middle of a trial and having to reboot.</p>
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		<title>By: James Kendrick</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2008/04/04/mobile-devices/#comment-11093</link>
		<dc:creator>James Kendrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 10:23:38 +0000</pubDate>
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        &lt;p&gt;For you sleepers, don&#039;t forget to go into the Device Manager in Windows and turn off power management for all of those important devices like the fingerprint reader.  This prevents them from failing to wake up because the power management never shuts them down.  These devices don&#039;t take much power anyway.&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>For you sleepers, don&#8217;t forget to go into the Device Manager in Windows and turn off power management for all of those important devices like the fingerprint reader.  This prevents them from failing to wake up because the power management never shuts them down.  These devices don&#8217;t take much power anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Marauderz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marauderz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 10:16:20 +0000</pubDate>
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        &lt;p&gt;Another sleeper here with my Fujitsu U1010, wakes up almost instantly, and the main problem I have with it is that the fingerprint reader sometimes decides not to wake up with the rest of the system and I have to login with the keyboard&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>Another sleeper here with my Fujitsu U1010, wakes up almost instantly, and the main problem I have with it is that the fingerprint reader sometimes decides not to wake up with the rest of the system and I have to login with the keyboard</p>
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		<title>By: HG</title>
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		<dc:creator>HG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 10:09:33 +0000</pubDate>
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        &lt;p&gt;I also always put my tablets in sleep mode. I have done this ever since I had my Fuji T4020, Q1P, and now my U810. The only reason I like to know the boot time is Just to know how long it takes for those times that require it. On my Macbook Pro I Just have it Auto shutdown at 11:00 P.M. and turn back on at 8:00 A.M. automatically. That way I can keep all files synced with my U810.&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>I also always put my tablets in sleep mode. I have done this ever since I had my Fuji T4020, Q1P, and now my U810. The only reason I like to know the boot time is Just to know how long it takes for those times that require it. On my Macbook Pro I Just have it Auto shutdown at 11:00 P.M. and turn back on at 8:00 A.M. automatically. That way I can keep all files synced with my U810.</p>
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		<title>By: John in Norway</title>
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		<dc:creator>John in Norway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 09:36:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;div xmlns=&quot;http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;I was a bear in a previous life and the only time I had trouble hibernating was when the winter was especially warm.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As for sleeping, well my other half snores so loud that ...&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Oh, sorry, are you talking about computers? I agree with you JK, I only switch them off when necessary. If I have to restart them I just go and make a cup of tea.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
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<p>I was a bear in a previous life and the only time I had trouble hibernating was when the winter was especially warm.</p>
<p>As for sleeping, well my other half snores so loud that &#8230;</p>
<p>Oh, sorry, are you talking about computers? I agree with you JK, I only switch them off when necessary. If I have to restart them I just go and make a cup of tea.</p>
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		<title>By: nomo</title>
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		<dc:creator>nomo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 09:35:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;div xmlns=&quot;http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;My 1GB/1.2GHz sub-notebook requires over three minutes to fully wake up from sleep mode. In addition, Vista can become twitchy after waking up -- hardware buttons stop working properly, fingerprint scanner software hangs up the processor, etc. As a result, I usually idle the computer in low power state instead of putting it to sleep.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Tasks such as checking calendar availability or recording contact information require instant-on capability. I want my mobile computer to wake up as quickly and dependably as a mobile phone. There is significant opportunity for improvement.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
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<p>My 1GB/1.2GHz sub-notebook requires over three minutes to fully wake up from sleep mode. In addition, Vista can become twitchy after waking up &#8212; hardware buttons stop working properly, fingerprint scanner software hangs up the processor, etc. As a result, I usually idle the computer in low power state instead of putting it to sleep.</p>
<p>Tasks such as checking calendar availability or recording contact information require instant-on capability. I want my mobile computer to wake up as quickly and dependably as a mobile phone. There is significant opportunity for improvement.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 09:27:07 +0000</pubDate>
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        &lt;p&gt;The boot time is really needless information to me. I put all my machines to sleep and they all wake up in a matter of seconds. I cant imagine the point of a mobile pc like if i had to wait more than 10 seconds to be able to see my desktop on the fly.&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>The boot time is really needless information to me. I put all my machines to sleep and they all wake up in a matter of seconds. I cant imagine the point of a mobile pc like if i had to wait more than 10 seconds to be able to see my desktop on the fly.</p>
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