Steve, Vista 64 also runs 32 code perfectly at native speed, it’s specific hardware drivers that are an issue. Windows has a huge variety of hardware to deal with compared to Apple.

The issue being discussed is the lack of Onenote driver for Vista 64 and James quite rightly slams Microsoft for not releasing one. This is not a fault with Vista.

Unfortunately these discussions always seem to descend into a ‘Vista Sux MacOS Roolz’ affair.

Yo, Win 32/64 folks: as has been noted Apple ships one version of 64-bit Intel Leopard that runs 32 code perfectly at native speed: Apple 1 , MS 0.

What you haven’t heard is that Leopard is universal, and also runs on 64/32 PPC machines as well. Apple 2, MS ZERO.

And what *we* haven’t heard is what other processors Leopard runs on. We presume ARM, and probably SPARC as well.

MS 0 all the way around.

Yo, Win 32/64 folks: as has been noted Apple ships one version of 64-bit Intel Leopard that runs 32 code perfectly at native speed: Apple 1 , MS 0.

What you haven’t heard is that Leopard is universal, and also runs on 64/32 PPC machines as well. Apple 2, MS ZERO.

And what *we* haven’t heard is what other processors Leopard runs on. We presume ARM, and probably SPARC as well.

MS 0 all the way around.

FUD? A lot of people are interested in this PC and now they know about the problem so mission accomplished. Convertible Tablets are full-blown PCs like any other so a 64 bit Tablet gets all the benefits of same like any other PC. It makes no less sense to put a 64-bit OS on a Tablet PC than on any other PC if you want it.

I’m not defending Microsoft by any stretch of the imagination. I am just baffled why anyone would ship a tablet with any Microsoft 64-bit OS? There aren’t even any 64-bit programs out that are particularly suited for a tablet. If Adobe CS3 were 64-bit, then I could maybe see it as an art tablet, but it won’t be until CS4 that they start making the transition to 64-bit. I can’t imagine there would be much need or use for running 3D animation, compositing, simulation or engineering software on a tablet, and at present that is pretty much all the 64-bit software on the market.

I am a big supporter of moving to 64-bit, but it really doesn’t make any sense unless you are running a 64-bit program.

Hey James.

I don’t think many of us are defending the situation, just stating why it has happened. FWIW I agree and really miss the feature and have to print to Windows Journal instead and then import it into Onenote.

Well, if you purchased a product that clearly stated that certain features weren’t compatible, and you didn’t pay the manufacturer to make them compatible, I think that’s a pretty good excuse. It’s not like it’s a bug that causes data corruption or system crashes. You don’t have a feature, and it was advertised as such. (http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/products/HA101668651033.aspx) I’d bet if you showed up at Microsoft’s door with a big bag of cash, they’d be happy to resolve your problem for you. If that didn’t work, you could always try making a FUD web post to give them some bad publicity; it’s not like being nice ever got anyone anything before.

There is no defense of MS for this ridiculous issue no matter how many teams are involved. They are all MS and it’s their products that don’t work together. Both Vista 64 and Office/OneNote are up to SP1 and have been out for over a year so there is no excuse for this mess to still exist.

“Oh come on. That is by far the lamest defense of Vista I’ve ever read not written by Paul Thurrott or Ed Bott :p Unless that is Paul :p”
Your ignorance shows through your comment. My point is valid and true. Vista x64 doesn’t need defending; it works the way it was designed to work. The problem is the OneNote 32-bit driver. You’d have the same issues on XP x64 or Windows 2003 x64. Do you blame the government every time the coke machine doesn’t take your dollar bill, since the Treasury makes dollar bills? The only product that is guaranteed to work with all third party products is probably made by Fischer-Price and intended for use for age 3 and under.

You are probably right. But I really think that they should invest more time into that product, it doesnt deserve to be “the plucky kid”. There is a pretty large user group for tablet and non-tableters alike, since it comes with so many computers without the full office package.

ChangBM: “I know that the development teams are probably different but that shows a pretty large lack of communication between the teams.”

I’m sure the issue isn’t that the OneNote team didn’t realise that the 32bit OneNote printer driver wouldn’t work, simply that they spent their finite time and money developing the features the majority of the user base had requested from OneNote 2003 rather than spend it on a feature a minority of people will use. I expect that OneNote is the plucky kid in the Office family and it doesn’t get the allocation of resources like Word or Excel does.

That said I do think MS fail in continued development of their products, a OneNote 2007 printer driver should have been an add on or included in the Office SP1 the products been out a long time and the driver itself is not complicated to make it just needs the time from a developer who can do it.

Not to rub salt into the wound but it should be noted that Leopard supports 64bit with no problems. There is one disc, one installer and 32 or 64 bit runs seemlessly depending on the processor. Anyone using 10.5 with a Core2Duo cpu gets 64bit automatically – most don’t even know they have it. All apps and drivers are compatible. OSX support for 64 bit has been a complete non-issue.

http://www.apple.com/macosx/technology/64bit.html

Maybe Apple deserves more than one point.

That’s the MS way of making their product better. Remember when Vista came out, everyone suddenly became a fan of XP? Now people start to appreciate how much Vista 32 is reliable and stable compared to 64. By introducing a lamer product, MS makes the older one better. Genius.

“PR said: “The people to blame here aren’t the developers of Vista but the developers of OneNote and Canon.”

OneNote is a Microsoft product, just like Vista.
” Posted by: Kevin C. Tofel

I have one question. Did the PR guy ever end up go “wait a second….” I’ve got to say thats pretty funny. I know that the development teams are probably different but that shows a pretty large lack of communication between the teams.

And as a regular reader of jkOnTheRun, I can tell you these guys aren’t Windows bashers or sensationalistic at all in their coverage. They seem to love all things mobile, including Microsoft products. More importantly, they are just users like the rest of us, who run into everyday issues, and post about them. Its not “finger pointing”, its just what they ran into.

“Kevin said:”OneNote is a Microsoft product, just like Vista. ”
Yes, but the developers who wrote Vista are not the developers who wrote OneNote.”

Oh come on. That is by far the lamest defense of Vista I’ve ever read not written by Paul Thurrott or Ed Bott :p Unless that is Paul :p