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		<title>By: ChangBM</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2008/07/18/netbook-choices/#comment-6138</link>
		<dc:creator>ChangBM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 01:38:06 +0000</pubDate>
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        &lt;p&gt;Hmmm, I recently made the big choice to upgrade my eee 701 also. I choose the 901, so far I&#039;m loving it. Multi-touch is actually very useful when you try it and I can&#039;t believe the large battery they gave. The only gripes I have are that the keyboard isnt really changed, but it does feel slightly better, and the split SSD deal was pretty disappointing, but I plan to do that jkkmobile did and ZIF HDD it up. &lt;/p&gt;
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<p>Hmmm, I recently made the big choice to upgrade my eee 701 also. I choose the 901, so far I&#8217;m loving it. Multi-touch is actually very useful when you try it and I can&#8217;t believe the large battery they gave. The only gripes I have are that the keyboard isnt really changed, but it does feel slightly better, and the split SSD deal was pretty disappointing, but I plan to do that jkkmobile did and ZIF HDD it up. </p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Cohen</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2008/07/18/netbook-choices/#comment-6139</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Cohen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 01:23:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;div xmlns=&quot;http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;Battery life, battery life, battery life...I can&#039;t reiterate it enough :) For my purposes at least, I have to know my UMPC/laptop/PDA won&#039;t die after a few hours of work at a cafe. In Toronto there are still plenty of cafes that either don&#039;t have accessible power outlets, or only have one or two that get hogged.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Dynamism has a few Panasonic models that last up to 8-14 hours and are 3lbs or so. I know those are $1500+, but it shows that the concept is possible at least.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
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<p>Battery life, battery life, battery life&#8230;I can&#8217;t reiterate it enough <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  For my purposes at least, I have to know my UMPC/laptop/PDA won&#8217;t die after a few hours of work at a cafe. In Toronto there are still plenty of cafes that either don&#8217;t have accessible power outlets, or only have one or two that get hogged.</p>
<p>Dynamism has a few Panasonic models that last up to 8-14 hours and are 3lbs or so. I know those are $1500+, but it shows that the concept is possible at least.</p>
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		<title>By: yhtgf</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2008/07/18/netbook-choices/#comment-6140</link>
		<dc:creator>yhtgf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:41:43 +0000</pubDate>
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        &lt;p&gt;i&#039;m not impressed so far, because all i&#039;ve seen are a bunch of announcements. the few that have trickled to market are incredibly difficult to actually get your hands on. theres only a couple (like H) that are readily available.&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>i&#8217;m not impressed so far, because all i&#8217;ve seen are a bunch of announcements. the few that have trickled to market are incredibly difficult to actually get your hands on. theres only a couple (like H) that are readily available.</p>
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		<title>By: Oliver</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2008/07/18/netbook-choices/#comment-6142</link>
		<dc:creator>Oliver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:23:32 +0000</pubDate>
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        &lt;p&gt;I bought the HP 2133 pretty much when it came out, and have not regretted being somewhat of an early adopter.  Sure, it&#039;s not a race horse.  Sure, it would be nice to actually be able to buy accessories for it, such as a spare 3-cell battery.  But the keyboard and screen are very nice for this overall form factor, and with more and more of my work being cloud based, I find that I leave my &quot;heavy&quot; Thinkpad X60t behind more and more often.&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>I bought the HP 2133 pretty much when it came out, and have not regretted being somewhat of an early adopter.  Sure, it&#8217;s not a race horse.  Sure, it would be nice to actually be able to buy accessories for it, such as a spare 3-cell battery.  But the keyboard and screen are very nice for this overall form factor, and with more and more of my work being cloud based, I find that I leave my &#8220;heavy&#8221; Thinkpad X60t behind more and more often.</p>
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		<title>By: Nate</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2008/07/18/netbook-choices/#comment-6144</link>
		<dc:creator>Nate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:24:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;div xmlns=&quot;http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;The Pandora looks nice (and it&#039;s on my shopping list as well).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;However, it&#039;s a completely different device than a netbook. If you&#039;re going to be comparing it to anything, a Nokia tablet would be the closest thing.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
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<p>The Pandora looks nice (and it&#8217;s on my shopping list as well).</p>
<p>However, it&#8217;s a completely different device than a netbook. If you&#8217;re going to be comparing it to anything, a Nokia tablet would be the closest thing.</p>
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		<title>By: BaDZeD</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2008/07/18/netbook-choices/#comment-6148</link>
		<dc:creator>BaDZeD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 11:56:02 +0000</pubDate>
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        &lt;p&gt;The one I am waiting for is the Pandora (openpandora.org) It is marketed as an open source portable gaming platform but spec wise it is a full featured arm-based laptop (qwerty, touchscreen, wifi, bt, dual sdhc slots, analog sticks) in a size, slightly larger than a Nintendo DS, which in my opinion makes it a first decent truly pocketable UMPC at a reasonable price (they are planning prices around 320 USD)&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>The one I am waiting for is the Pandora (openpandora.org) It is marketed as an open source portable gaming platform but spec wise it is a full featured arm-based laptop (qwerty, touchscreen, wifi, bt, dual sdhc slots, analog sticks) in a size, slightly larger than a Nintendo DS, which in my opinion makes it a first decent truly pocketable UMPC at a reasonable price (they are planning prices around 320 USD)</p>
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		<title>By: bostonirishguy13</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2008/07/18/netbook-choices/#comment-6153</link>
		<dc:creator>bostonirishguy13</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 11:34:03 +0000</pubDate>
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        &lt;p&gt;I just got my black MSI Wind yesterday. So far so good. I also own an Eee PC 901 (XP), HP Mini-Note, MacBook Air and Sony TZ150. The Wind and the Sony are very similar in size and look. I&#039;ll have to spend more time with the Wind for a full review.&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>I just got my black MSI Wind yesterday. So far so good. I also own an Eee PC 901 (XP), HP Mini-Note, MacBook Air and Sony TZ150. The Wind and the Sony are very similar in size and look. I&#8217;ll have to spend more time with the Wind for a full review.</p>
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		<title>By: turn.self.off</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 11:28:26 +0000</pubDate>
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        &lt;p&gt;on the topic of the SC3, the gigabyte M912 seems to be up there along side it.&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>on the topic of the SC3, the gigabyte M912 seems to be up there along side it.</p>
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		<title>By: Heavyharmonies</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heavyharmonies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:46:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;div xmlns=&quot;http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;Yup.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m in a bit of a quandry right now. While I love the size and form factor of the new Kohjinsha SC3, do I *REALLY* want to drop US$1,200 on a toy? I would feel better about it if not for the heat issue.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The MSI Wind and Acer Aspire at less than half the cost seem to fit the bill. Unfortunately no one has the Wind in stock, and the XP/hard drive version of the Aspire is effectively vaporware right now. :(&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I have a conference in mid-August to attend that I was hoping to have subnotebook in place for, but I&#039;m having doubts.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
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<p>Yup.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m in a bit of a quandry right now. While I love the size and form factor of the new Kohjinsha SC3, do I *REALLY* want to drop US$1,200 on a toy? I would feel better about it if not for the heat issue.</p>
<p>The MSI Wind and Acer Aspire at less than half the cost seem to fit the bill. Unfortunately no one has the Wind in stock, and the XP/hard drive version of the Aspire is effectively vaporware right now. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I have a conference in mid-August to attend that I was hoping to have subnotebook in place for, but I&#8217;m having doubts.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:43:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;div xmlns=&quot;http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;Hi Kevin,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Agree with you - it&#039;s value that counts with so many choices. In the end I went with a rebadged MSI Wind. Checkout my review if you&#039;re interested.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.last100.com/2008/07/14/ive-jumped-on-the-netbook-bandwagon-msi-wind-advent-4211-review/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.last100.com/2008/07/14/ive-jumped-on-the-netbook-bandwagon-msi-wind-advent-4211-review/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;- Steve, editor last100.com&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
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<p>Hi Kevin,</p>
<p>Agree with you &#8211; it&#8217;s value that counts with so many choices. In the end I went with a rebadged MSI Wind. Checkout my review if you&#8217;re interested.<br />
<a href="http://www.last100.com/2008/07/14/ive-jumped-on-the-netbook-bandwagon-msi-wind-advent-4211-review/" rel="nofollow">http://www.last100.com/2008/07/14/ive-jumped-on-the-netbook-bandwagon-msi-wind-advent-4211-review/</a></p>
<p>- Steve, editor last100.com</p>
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		<title>By: nomo</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:40:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;div xmlns=&quot;http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;I agree that the rate of development is astonishing; it&#039;s only been nine months since the Eee 701 was introduced. There seems to be a bit of irrational exuberance on the part of PC makers chasing low margin sales. Perhaps netbooks are viewed as an entry strategy in developing markets because I don&#039;t expect this to be more than a niche in mature markets.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Both value and price will be important factors driving netbook sales. The &quot;value window&quot; is fairly small for netbooks because they start to compete with better-equipped full-size notebooks once the price gets above $500. While the small form factor has value, most target consumers will be attracted to these products by price. So functionality and feature set will help differentiate among products with a low price.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;From a value perspective, netbooks also compete against older-model full-feature mini-notebooks. Sony, Fujitsu, and other manufacturers have offered 9&quot; and 10&quot; computers for several years. Although discontinued, these older-model notebooks offer similar or better performance for about the same price as the high-end netbooks.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m curious to see the new Dell and Fujitsu netbooks and look forward to the HP 2133 with a new CPU. In general, though, most of the new products are &quot;me too&quot; (or, more appropriately, &quot;Eee too&quot;) offerings that will face significant challenges in a highly competitive market.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
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<p>I agree that the rate of development is astonishing; it&#8217;s only been nine months since the Eee 701 was introduced. There seems to be a bit of irrational exuberance on the part of PC makers chasing low margin sales. Perhaps netbooks are viewed as an entry strategy in developing markets because I don&#8217;t expect this to be more than a niche in mature markets.</p>
<p>Both value and price will be important factors driving netbook sales. The &#8220;value window&#8221; is fairly small for netbooks because they start to compete with better-equipped full-size notebooks once the price gets above $500. While the small form factor has value, most target consumers will be attracted to these products by price. So functionality and feature set will help differentiate among products with a low price.</p>
<p>From a value perspective, netbooks also compete against older-model full-feature mini-notebooks. Sony, Fujitsu, and other manufacturers have offered 9&#8243; and 10&#8243; computers for several years. Although discontinued, these older-model notebooks offer similar or better performance for about the same price as the high-end netbooks.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m curious to see the new Dell and Fujitsu netbooks and look forward to the HP 2133 with a new CPU. In general, though, most of the new products are &#8220;me too&#8221; (or, more appropriately, &#8220;Eee too&#8221;) offerings that will face significant challenges in a highly competitive market.</p>
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		<title>By: Cody B</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:31:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;div xmlns=&quot;http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;Shipping just dropped off my Wind.  The shipping box was quite small.  The MSI box inside of that was even smaller, but I didn&#039;t know what to say when I opened that one only to see yet another smaller box.  It&#039;s kind of funny I knew what to expect, but I was still surprised when I first held it in my hand.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Any bets on how long I will let it charge before I take it for a spin? &lt;br /&gt;
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<p>Shipping just dropped off my Wind.  The shipping box was quite small.  The MSI box inside of that was even smaller, but I didn&#8217;t know what to say when I opened that one only to see yet another smaller box.  It&#8217;s kind of funny I knew what to expect, but I was still surprised when I first held it in my hand.</p>
<p>Any bets on how long I will let it charge before I take it for a spin? 
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