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	<title>Comments on: Celio&#8217;s REDFLY ready for consumer purchase</title>
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		<title>By: Jeff Kirvin</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2008/08/08/celios-redfly-r/#comment-4835</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Kirvin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 18:44:31 +0000</pubDate>
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        &lt;p&gt;I&#039;ll agree it&#039;s not for everyone, but if you already have a significant investment in Windows Mobile, it&#039;s not a bad idea. &lt;a href=&quot;http://tinyurl.com/5dptcz&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://tinyurl.com/5dptcz&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>I&#8217;ll agree it&#8217;s not for everyone, but if you already have a significant investment in Windows Mobile, it&#8217;s not a bad idea. <a href="http://tinyurl.com/5dptcz" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/5dptcz</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mike Cane</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2008/08/08/celios-redfly-r/#comment-4837</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Cane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 19:49:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;div xmlns=&quot;http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;As for that Instant On ... it makes sense when you have a PDA.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;This, you have to&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;1) Find a table&lt;br /&gt;
2) Lift lid&lt;br /&gt;
3) Hit On&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Right.  That&#039;s quick.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
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<p>As for that Instant On &#8230; it makes sense when you have a PDA.</p>
<p>This, you have to</p>
<p>1) Find a table<br />
2) Lift lid<br />
3) Hit On</p>
<p>Right.  That&#8217;s quick.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Goodwin</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2008/08/08/celios-redfly-r/#comment-4840</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Goodwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 14:33:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;div xmlns=&quot;http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;Why not just buy a Netbook?  I will tell you why...because those of use real road warriors don&#039;t have the leasure time for it to load, or days short enough that 3 hours of battery life will be okay, etc.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Those who &quot;don&#039;t get it&quot; are not the crowd this device is aimed at.  Real Road Warriors get it.    Very often I have just a minute or two before boarding my plane and I need INSTANT ON...to run an order right NOW!  My phone is always on already...I plug the Redfly in and it is ready to go, and I have that order IN the system and I am gone while Mr. &quot;lack of imagination&quot; first comment loser guy above is still waiting for windows to load.  If you have nothing but time on your hands...get a Netbook.  If you live in the fast lane like I do...this INSTANT ON and long battery life device is a logical choice.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And as suggested above by another poster...skipping the tethering fees you pay for the Netbook actually BUYS this device.  That changes the entire price equation yet the Netbook fans here ignore the REAL world price comparison.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
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<p>Why not just buy a Netbook?  I will tell you why&#8230;because those of use real road warriors don&#8217;t have the leasure time for it to load, or days short enough that 3 hours of battery life will be okay, etc.  </p>
<p>Those who &#8220;don&#8217;t get it&#8221; are not the crowd this device is aimed at.  Real Road Warriors get it.    Very often I have just a minute or two before boarding my plane and I need INSTANT ON&#8230;to run an order right NOW!  My phone is always on already&#8230;I plug the Redfly in and it is ready to go, and I have that order IN the system and I am gone while Mr. &#8220;lack of imagination&#8221; first comment loser guy above is still waiting for windows to load.  If you have nothing but time on your hands&#8230;get a Netbook.  If you live in the fast lane like I do&#8230;this INSTANT ON and long battery life device is a logical choice.</p>
<p>And as suggested above by another poster&#8230;skipping the tethering fees you pay for the Netbook actually BUYS this device.  That changes the entire price equation yet the Netbook fans here ignore the REAL world price comparison.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Feger</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2008/08/08/celios-redfly-r/#comment-4843</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Feger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 13:27:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;div xmlns=&quot;http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;Tyler brings up a very good point and another reason why this device is better suited for the Enterprise worker and not a consumer.  The key to the REDFLY is simplicity.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The REDFLY is nothing more than an extension of your phone.  You only bring it when you need a larger screen and a bigger keyboard with some extra battery life.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;While consumers may pay for additional tethering charges or use hacks to get around it, Enterprise customers (read: businesses) don&#039;t want the support headaches associated with this.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Also, theft and loss of laptops is always an issue.  People loose their phones too, but an Enterprise level organization that is using Microsoft Exchange has the ability to remotely wipe a Windows Mobile device easily.  Getting that level of security in a laptop is a far more expensive and complicated proposition.  Since the REDFLY holds no data locally, the potential loss of the device does not represent a security threat.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m not saying it&#039;s a great device.  From a consumer standpoint, it&#039;s largely pointless.  But it can have a real value for a organization looking to extend existing functionality without significantly adding to support costs and maintaining strong security.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Pair this up with a browser like Skyfire or the new Opera Mobile 9.5 and you&#039;ve got a decent low cost business solution.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
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<p>Tyler brings up a very good point and another reason why this device is better suited for the Enterprise worker and not a consumer.  The key to the REDFLY is simplicity.</p>
<p>The REDFLY is nothing more than an extension of your phone.  You only bring it when you need a larger screen and a bigger keyboard with some extra battery life.</p>
<p>While consumers may pay for additional tethering charges or use hacks to get around it, Enterprise customers (read: businesses) don&#8217;t want the support headaches associated with this.</p>
<p>Also, theft and loss of laptops is always an issue.  People loose their phones too, but an Enterprise level organization that is using Microsoft Exchange has the ability to remotely wipe a Windows Mobile device easily.  Getting that level of security in a laptop is a far more expensive and complicated proposition.  Since the REDFLY holds no data locally, the potential loss of the device does not represent a security threat.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying it&#8217;s a great device.  From a consumer standpoint, it&#8217;s largely pointless.  But it can have a real value for a organization looking to extend existing functionality without significantly adding to support costs and maintaining strong security.</p>
<p>Pair this up with a browser like Skyfire or the new Opera Mobile 9.5 and you&#8217;ve got a decent low cost business solution.</p>
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		<title>By: Brett</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2008/08/08/celios-redfly-r/#comment-4846</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 09:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;div xmlns=&quot;http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;these things were everywhere at computex &#039;08&lt;br /&gt;
but the price was more like $100&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;not sure how these guys justify the price...&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
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<p>these things were everywhere at computex &#8216;08<br />
but the price was more like $100</p>
<p>not sure how these guys justify the price&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron J. Walker</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2008/08/08/celios-redfly-r/#comment-4849</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron J. Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 21:50:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;div xmlns=&quot;http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;It was a dumb idea when Palm tried to do the Foleo and it&#039;s still a dumb idea with REDFLY.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Why would anyone pay that much when, as you said Kevin, you can get similar, if not better, performance and specs from a &quot;real&quot; computer from the various netbooks at, below and above that price?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The backlash against the Foleo wasn&#039;t that people didn&#039;t see the need for a small laptop (ala netbooks), but they couldn&#039;t see having to carry another device  around that needed to be hooked up to another device (their phone) to even work.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Dumb on top of stupid.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
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<p>It was a dumb idea when Palm tried to do the Foleo and it&#8217;s still a dumb idea with REDFLY.</p>
<p>Why would anyone pay that much when, as you said Kevin, you can get similar, if not better, performance and specs from a &#8220;real&#8221; computer from the various netbooks at, below and above that price?</p>
<p>The backlash against the Foleo wasn&#8217;t that people didn&#8217;t see the need for a small laptop (ala netbooks), but they couldn&#8217;t see having to carry another device  around that needed to be hooked up to another device (their phone) to even work.</p>
<p>Dumb on top of stupid.</p>
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		<title>By: WORD-SMITH</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2008/08/08/celios-redfly-r/#comment-4853</link>
		<dc:creator>WORD-SMITH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 21:14:09 +0000</pubDate>
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        &lt;p&gt;I have almost pulled the trigger literally on this thing about  6imes now. I definitely want one, but am hampered by HTC Advantage Lust. Today I hear the battery is not replaceable in the Redfly. Do we know of ANY rechargeable battery that has ever NOT eventually become a Brick? Oh Mary....back to Conundrum Corner.........&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>I have almost pulled the trigger literally on this thing about  6imes now. I definitely want one, but am hampered by HTC Advantage Lust. Today I hear the battery is not replaceable in the Redfly. Do we know of ANY rechargeable battery that has ever NOT eventually become a Brick? Oh Mary&#8230;.back to Conundrum Corner&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: c1oudrs</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2008/08/08/celios-redfly-r/#comment-4855</link>
		<dc:creator>c1oudrs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 16:05:53 +0000</pubDate>
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        &lt;p&gt;Missed  the  market  by  a  year--I  think  thats  dead  on.    The  redfly  just  .  .  .  doesn&#039;t  quite  offer  enough.    Now  if  it  had  speakers  I  would  be  more  tempted.    Also  add  in  some  online  storage  like  assus  plans  to  do  for  the  pacific  rim  market.    Finally  make  connecteing  to  a  regular  pc  a  peice  of  cake.    And  yes,  Lower  the  price  by  at  least  a  hundred  bucks.    I  hope  the  redfly  makes  it  to  round  two  and  three.    But  the  current  redfly  doesnt  do  enough.&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>Missed  the  market  by  a  year&#8211;I  think  thats  dead  on.    The  redfly  just  .  .  .  doesn&#8217;t  quite  offer  enough.    Now  if  it  had  speakers  I  would  be  more  tempted.    Also  add  in  some  online  storage  like  assus  plans  to  do  for  the  pacific  rim  market.    Finally  make  connecteing  to  a  regular  pc  a  peice  of  cake.    And  yes,  Lower  the  price  by  at  least  a  hundred  bucks.    I  hope  the  redfly  makes  it  to  round  two  and  three.    But  the  current  redfly  doesnt  do  enough.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Zatz</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2008/08/08/celios-redfly-r/#comment-4857</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Zatz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 15:56:31 +0000</pubDate>
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        &lt;p&gt;A niche within a niche. At $500 they will fail in the consumer space. Maybe enterprise deals will carry them.&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>A niche within a niche. At $500 they will fail in the consumer space. Maybe enterprise deals will carry them.</p>
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		<title>By: MonteVale</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2008/08/08/celios-redfly-r/#comment-4858</link>
		<dc:creator>MonteVale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 14:40:36 +0000</pubDate>
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        &lt;p&gt;This is a very good solution security wise.&lt;br /&gt;
All your date in one place only.&lt;br /&gt;
It can probably work for a corporation controlling data. For regular home user this of course doesn&#039;t make much sense anymore as Redfly has missed this market by about a year.&lt;br /&gt;
Still if the smart phones pick up the power and start having next gens of Atom as the main chips it would be interesting to see as you would use this as an extension of your (on your belt or in your pocket) computer.&lt;br /&gt;
I have a laptop and would not want to replace it with a netbook, however if my blackberry would have the same processor as the netbook I would not mind the Redly giving a shot at the title.&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>This is a very good solution security wise.<br />
All your date in one place only.<br />
It can probably work for a corporation controlling data. For regular home user this of course doesn&#8217;t make much sense anymore as Redfly has missed this market by about a year.<br />
Still if the smart phones pick up the power and start having next gens of Atom as the main chips it would be interesting to see as you would use this as an extension of your (on your belt or in your pocket) computer.<br />
I have a laptop and would not want to replace it with a netbook, however if my blackberry would have the same processor as the netbook I would not mind the Redly giving a shot at the title.</p>
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		<title>By: Tyler</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2008/08/08/celios-redfly-r/#comment-4859</link>
		<dc:creator>Tyler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 14:27:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Remember though that tethering a cell phone to your mini notebook requires an expensive tethering plan -- for AT&amp;T tethering is an extra $30 a month on top of everything else. This helps make the Redfly make more sense financially (though it is still too expensive, in my opinion).  Also, remember that if all you need it for is web surfing and document editing, the Redfly will get 8 hours battery life to the Aspire One&#039;s 3.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Robt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 13:47:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;div xmlns=&quot;http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;We have one of these in the office. Its nice and has a good feel but at that price, I can not see buying it. Its still needs your phone and is a two piece solution. For that money, a HP mini-note or the like would be a far better purchase.&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>We have one of these in the office. Its nice and has a good feel but at that price, I can not see buying it. Its still needs your phone and is a two piece solution. For that money, a HP mini-note or the like would be a far better purchase.</p>
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		<title>By: Woadan</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2008/08/08/celios-redfly-r/#comment-4861</link>
		<dc:creator>Woadan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 13:14:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;div xmlns=&quot;http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;I have an iPAQ HX4705, but I rarely use it. $500 to rarely use it on a bigger screen doesn&#039;t make much sense to me.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If I didn&#039;t have 2 tablet PCs, this might have some appeal. Since I do, it has no appeal for me. But buttoned-down executive types who sit in corner offices might like this.&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>I have an iPAQ HX4705, but I rarely use it. $500 to rarely use it on a bigger screen doesn&#8217;t make much sense to me.</p>
<p>If I didn&#8217;t have 2 tablet PCs, this might have some appeal. Since I do, it has no appeal for me. But buttoned-down executive types who sit in corner offices might like this.</p>
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		<title>By: Allan Bogild Pedersen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allan Bogild Pedersen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 12:52:48 +0000</pubDate>
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        &lt;p&gt;Way to expensive to be a success, i think time ran out for the device, before the arrival of all the cheap net books there was probably a place for it&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>Way to expensive to be a success, i think time ran out for the device, before the arrival of all the cheap net books there was probably a place for it</p>
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		<title>By: tcrossey</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2008/08/08/celios-redfly-r/#comment-4863</link>
		<dc:creator>tcrossey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 12:32:53 +0000</pubDate>
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        &lt;p&gt;I have to agree also. For the average user $499 gets a nice net book you can tether to. If your not in the corporate world letting you boss buy the hardware, this doen&#039;t make sense until the price drops to the mid-$200 mark. I do like the concept though.&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>I have to agree also. For the average user $499 gets a nice net book you can tether to. If your not in the corporate world letting you boss buy the hardware, this doen&#8217;t make sense until the price drops to the mid-$200 mark. I do like the concept though.</p>
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		<title>By: Scotty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scotty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 12:31:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;div xmlns=&quot;http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;I just got the price protection rebate from Amazon for my Acer Aspire One. They&#039;re now selling for $379 on Amazon as well. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;$499 and no brain or $379 with a brain?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Hang on, I&#039;m checking my brain on this one...&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
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<p>I just got the price protection rebate from Amazon for my Acer Aspire One. They&#8217;re now selling for $379 on Amazon as well. </p>
<p>$499 and no brain or $379 with a brain?</p>
<p>Hang on, I&#8217;m checking my brain on this one&#8230;</p>
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