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	<title>Comments on: Geek speak- pre-sale means nothing!</title>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2008/08/13/geek-speak-pre/#comment-4539</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 15:40:28 +0000</pubDate>
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        &lt;p&gt;It&#039;s pre-humorous. I wonder if T-Mobile isn&#039;t just testing the waters to see how many geeks will pre-buy? Considering this is an offshoot of a platform that, despite being ported to watches, toasters and AM radios, still hasn&#039;t put a dent in the market, I can&#039;t say that I pre-blame them. I also get the feeling that a lot of geeks are going to be very disappointed by this. They&#039;re probably all thinking this opens the gates to an &quot;anything goes&quot; phone and NO carrier is going to allow that.&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>It&#8217;s pre-humorous. I wonder if T-Mobile isn&#8217;t just testing the waters to see how many geeks will pre-buy? Considering this is an offshoot of a platform that, despite being ported to watches, toasters and AM radios, still hasn&#8217;t put a dent in the market, I can&#8217;t say that I pre-blame them. I also get the feeling that a lot of geeks are going to be very disappointed by this. They&#8217;re probably all thinking this opens the gates to an &#8220;anything goes&#8221; phone and NO carrier is going to allow that.</p>
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		<title>By: John in Norway</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2008/08/13/geek-speak-pre/#comment-4543</link>
		<dc:creator>John in Norway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 14:47:13 +0000</pubDate>
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        &lt;p&gt;I&#039;m happy with it as long as I can buy it with some of this pre-money I&#039;ve got coming my way. Someday. Hopefully.&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>I&#8217;m happy with it as long as I can buy it with some of this pre-money I&#8217;ve got coming my way. Someday. Hopefully.</p>
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		<title>By: JeffGr</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2008/08/13/geek-speak-pre/#comment-4546</link>
		<dc:creator>JeffGr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 13:44:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;div xmlns=&quot;http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;Although it is kind of a nonsensical term when looked at too closely, I&#039;ve always interpreted the term &quot;pre-sale&quot; to mean a period in which something is offered to specific groups before it goes on sale to the general public.  An obvious, non-tech example is concert tickets, which are often made available to fan clubs or other special groups prior to their official on-sale date.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The rumors about the T-Mobile deal actually do look to fit this definition as it suggests that the phone will be offered to existing customers (either as a pre-order or even physically) before it becomes available to everyone else.&lt;br /&gt;
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<p>Although it is kind of a nonsensical term when looked at too closely, I&#8217;ve always interpreted the term &#8220;pre-sale&#8221; to mean a period in which something is offered to specific groups before it goes on sale to the general public.  An obvious, non-tech example is concert tickets, which are often made available to fan clubs or other special groups prior to their official on-sale date.  </p>
<p>The rumors about the T-Mobile deal actually do look to fit this definition as it suggests that the phone will be offered to existing customers (either as a pre-order or even physically) before it becomes available to everyone else.
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		<title>By: The Wife</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2008/08/13/geek-speak-pre/#comment-4549</link>
		<dc:creator>The Wife</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 12:17:21 +0000</pubDate>
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        &lt;p&gt;Well then, and you think woman-speak is confusing?&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>Well then, and you think woman-speak is confusing?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Cane</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2008/08/13/geek-speak-pre/#comment-4551</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Cane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 11:56:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;div xmlns=&quot;http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;So let me get this straight ... if someone says something is &quot;pre-love,&quot; does that mean *before* or *after* (as in pre-record = previously recorded)?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Thanks, marketeers, for continuing to ruin a language.  May I pre-stab you?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
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<p>So let me get this straight &#8230; if someone says something is &#8220;pre-love,&#8221; does that mean *before* or *after* (as in pre-record = previously recorded)?</p>
<p>Thanks, marketeers, for continuing to ruin a language.  May I pre-stab you?</p>
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		<title>By: bluemonq</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2008/08/13/geek-speak-pre/#comment-4552</link>
		<dc:creator>bluemonq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 11:33:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;div xmlns=&quot;http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;Considering that the alleged &quot;pre-sale&quot; is supposedly limited to EXISTING T-Mobile customers, I would think pre-sale definitely means something!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Good thing T-Mobile launched month-to-month contracts...&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
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<p>Considering that the alleged &#8220;pre-sale&#8221; is supposedly limited to EXISTING T-Mobile customers, I would think pre-sale definitely means something!</p>
<p>Good thing T-Mobile launched month-to-month contracts&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: stewall</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2008/08/13/geek-speak-pre/#comment-4553</link>
		<dc:creator>stewall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 10:46:14 +0000</pubDate>
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        &lt;p&gt;Don&#039;t politicians give the pre-sale sales pitch?&lt;br /&gt;
They ask for votes on stuff they are not yet in a position to give us but promise to do so somewhere down the line. Of course, they rarely fulfill the pre-orders!&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>Don&#8217;t politicians give the pre-sale sales pitch?<br />
They ask for votes on stuff they are not yet in a position to give us but promise to do so somewhere down the line. Of course, they rarely fulfill the pre-orders!</p>
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		<title>By: Gavin Miller</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2008/08/13/geek-speak-pre/#comment-4554</link>
		<dc:creator>Gavin Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 10:44:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;div xmlns=&quot;http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;It exists if we believe in it.....and that&#039;s what matters.&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>It exists if we believe in it&#8230;..and that&#8217;s what matters.</p>
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Cue credits.</p>
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		<title>By: Sumocat</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2008/08/13/geek-speak-pre/#comment-4555</link>
		<dc:creator>Sumocat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 10:14:50 +0000</pubDate>
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        &lt;p&gt;Now hold on a second. I spent two years writing copy for a pre-order catalog, selling stuff that didn&#039;t exist yet, so I take some offense at the accusation that &quot;pre-sale&quot; means absolutely nothing. T-Mobile deserves praise for wanting to be the first provider to embrace and promote an open source phone operating system. Their enthusiasm merely mirrors that of a market hungry for innovation. If the other providers would be so brave, the industry would be better for it. Did I mention I used to write copy for a pre-order catalog, basically selling stuff that didn&#039;t exist yet?&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>Now hold on a second. I spent two years writing copy for a pre-order catalog, selling stuff that didn&#8217;t exist yet, so I take some offense at the accusation that &#8220;pre-sale&#8221; means absolutely nothing. T-Mobile deserves praise for wanting to be the first provider to embrace and promote an open source phone operating system. Their enthusiasm merely mirrors that of a market hungry for innovation. If the other providers would be so brave, the industry would be better for it. Did I mention I used to write copy for a pre-order catalog, basically selling stuff that didn&#8217;t exist yet?</p>
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		<title>By: spiderman</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2008/08/13/geek-speak-pre/#comment-4556</link>
		<dc:creator>spiderman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 10:05:32 +0000</pubDate>
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        &lt;p&gt;Maybe they just mean pre-orders?  Maybe they expect to sell out so they&#039;re taking &quot;pre-sale&quot; reservations early?  I don&#039;t know the specifics, but I&#039;m not going to get worked up about leaked information.&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>Maybe they just mean pre-orders?  Maybe they expect to sell out so they&#8217;re taking &#8220;pre-sale&#8221; reservations early?  I don&#8217;t know the specifics, but I&#8217;m not going to get worked up about leaked information.</p>
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		<title>By: Gavin Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gavin Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 10:02:01 +0000</pubDate>
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        &lt;p&gt;Agreed. The HTC Shift, for example, was listed on a lot of sites for &#039;pre-sale&#039; a year before it was available!&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>Agreed. The HTC Shift, for example, was listed on a lot of sites for &#8216;pre-sale&#8217; a year before it was available!</p>
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		<title>By: turn.self.off</title>
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		<dc:creator>turn.self.off</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 09:48:50 +0000</pubDate>
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        &lt;p&gt;i would say thats more marketing speak then geek speak...&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>i would say thats more marketing speak then geek speak&#8230;</p>
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