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	<title>Comments on: jkOnTheRun debate- what do you want in a Mac netbook?</title>
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		<title>By: John Lindsay</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2008/08/28/jkontherun-deba/#comment-3785</link>
		<dc:creator>John Lindsay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 14:34:04 +0000</pubDate>
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        &lt;p&gt;I am a Mac user who would like a smaller Mac.&lt;br /&gt;
The Air is thinner not smaller.&lt;br /&gt;
I own a 12&quot;powerbook which like the newer Macbook pros has a separate graphics card.&lt;br /&gt;
Right now any person who uses computers a lot has to buy the 15&quot; Macbook pro if they want any performance.&lt;br /&gt;
The 13 inch Macbook is not small.&lt;br /&gt;
What is needed is the return on the 12&quot; in the  Macbook pro form.&lt;br /&gt;
I see this product as an integration of the Macbook pro and  the iphone in a 12&quot; form factor.&lt;br /&gt;
How long can Apple keep out of the  mini computer market? It seems strange for them to be absent from a new segment of the computer market.&lt;br /&gt;
It is a long product jump from the iphone to the Macbook 13.&lt;br /&gt;
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<p>I am a Mac user who would like a smaller Mac.<br />
The Air is thinner not smaller.<br />
I own a 12&#8243;powerbook which like the newer Macbook pros has a separate graphics card.<br />
Right now any person who uses computers a lot has to buy the 15&#8243; Macbook pro if they want any performance.<br />
The 13 inch Macbook is not small.<br />
What is needed is the return on the 12&#8243; in the  Macbook pro form.<br />
I see this product as an integration of the Macbook pro and  the iphone in a 12&#8243; form factor.<br />
How long can Apple keep out of the  mini computer market? It seems strange for them to be absent from a new segment of the computer market.<br />
It is a long product jump from the iphone to the Macbook 13.
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		<title>By: Andrew Choi</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2008/08/28/jkontherun-deba/#comment-3788</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Choi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 11:13:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;div xmlns=&quot;http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;the Macbook air is Apple&#039;s &#039;netbook&#039; in terms of portability. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;What apple may make is a 12&quot; macbook pro, which is hard to say given that they already have the macbook air. For even more portability, they&#039;ll just stick with the ipod touch/iphone lines. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
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<p>the Macbook air is Apple&#8217;s &#8216;netbook&#8217; in terms of portability. </p>
<p>What apple may make is a 12&#8243; macbook pro, which is hard to say given that they already have the macbook air. For even more portability, they&#8217;ll just stick with the ipod touch/iphone lines. </p>
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		<title>By: ben</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2008/08/28/jkontherun-deba/#comment-3790</link>
		<dc:creator>ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 22:03:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;div xmlns=&quot;http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;@Jose and Fazal,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;A &quot;netbook&quot; is pretty much a cheap ultraportable.  While TZ&#039;s and U110&#039;s and Air&#039;s are all probably great machines, they cost about 4 times what a well-built netbook does and don&#039;t offer much more in performance, functionality, portability or battery life.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
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<p>@Jose and Fazal,</p>
<p>A &#8220;netbook&#8221; is pretty much a cheap ultraportable.  While TZ&#8217;s and U110&#8217;s and Air&#8217;s are all probably great machines, they cost about 4 times what a well-built netbook does and don&#8217;t offer much more in performance, functionality, portability or battery life.</p>
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		<title>By: Gregory Jordan</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2008/08/28/jkontherun-deba/#comment-3791</link>
		<dc:creator>Gregory Jordan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 21:23:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I just bought the Acer Aspire One for $350 with XP, 120GB HD &amp; 1G ram. You can&#039;t beat that. It replaced my 12&quot; Powerbook, which had served me well but could have soon become a repair issue. I am typing this on my Macbook Pro, and that is my first love. I wish Apple made a netbook, but even if they did I don&#039;t see it reaching this price area. I mean, $350 at a retailer like Best Buy is a true deal if there ever was. Of course I cringe every time I hear the Windows song, but it&#039;s so easy and convenient, who cares. I think Apple will eventually develop something similar, though not at that price. It&#039;s just not in range of their economic reality.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just bought the Acer Aspire One for $350 with XP, 120GB HD &#038; 1G ram. You can&#8217;t beat that. It replaced my 12&#8243; Powerbook, which had served me well but could have soon become a repair issue. I am typing this on my Macbook Pro, and that is my first love. I wish Apple made a netbook, but even if they did I don&#8217;t see it reaching this price area. I mean, $350 at a retailer like Best Buy is a true deal if there ever was. Of course I cringe every time I hear the Windows song, but it&#8217;s so easy and convenient, who cares. I think Apple will eventually develop something similar, though not at that price. It&#8217;s just not in range of their economic reality.</p>
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		<title>By: Fazal Majid</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2008/08/28/jkontherun-deba/#comment-3794</link>
		<dc:creator>Fazal Majid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 20:04:56 +0000</pubDate>
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        &lt;p&gt;The answer is obvious: a MacBook Air, priced less. I have a SSD Air, and it&#039;s a near perfect device for its purpose.&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>The answer is obvious: a MacBook Air, priced less. I have a SSD Air, and it&#8217;s a near perfect device for its purpose.</p>
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		<title>By: Jose R. Ortiz</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2008/08/28/jkontherun-deba/#comment-3795</link>
		<dc:creator>Jose R. Ortiz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 19:59:23 +0000</pubDate>
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        &lt;p&gt;I have to admit that I&#039;ve had a lot of trouble with the whole &quot;netbook&quot; category. When it was a 6&quot;-7&quot; device with a simple linux OS it seemed easy to identify these notebook offspring, but once the screen size reached 10&quot; and started using a full blown OS, the line really got blury. The only differentiating factor that I still see is what JK pointed out in the first place: price. I have both an IdeaPad U110 and a TZ, both of which are 11&quot; screen devices. They are just as light and portable as the 10&quot; &#039;Netbooks&#039; so what makes the netbook a netbook and the notebook a notebook? Of course the TZ and IdeaPad have Core2Duo processors as opposed to an Atom, but the only true difference I see is the ~$2,000 cost for one versus a ~$600 - $700 cost for the other. Netbook, Notebook, Laptop, UMPC, MID...these names have all lost meaning to me.&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>I have to admit that I&#8217;ve had a lot of trouble with the whole &#8220;netbook&#8221; category. When it was a 6&#8243;-7&#8243; device with a simple linux OS it seemed easy to identify these notebook offspring, but once the screen size reached 10&#8243; and started using a full blown OS, the line really got blury. The only differentiating factor that I still see is what JK pointed out in the first place: price. I have both an IdeaPad U110 and a TZ, both of which are 11&#8243; screen devices. They are just as light and portable as the 10&#8243; &#8216;Netbooks&#8217; so what makes the netbook a netbook and the notebook a notebook? Of course the TZ and IdeaPad have Core2Duo processors as opposed to an Atom, but the only true difference I see is the ~$2,000 cost for one versus a ~$600 &#8211; $700 cost for the other. Netbook, Notebook, Laptop, UMPC, MID&#8230;these names have all lost meaning to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Woadan</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2008/08/28/jkontherun-deba/#comment-3796</link>
		<dc:creator>Woadan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 16:40:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;div xmlns=&quot;http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;The only way I will ever have an Apple device is if I am given one for free.&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>The only way I will ever have an Apple device is if I am given one for free.</p>
<p>Woadan</p>
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		<title>By: Nate</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2008/08/28/jkontherun-deba/#comment-3797</link>
		<dc:creator>Nate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 16:15:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;div xmlns=&quot;http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;@c.k.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I just ordered a tx2500z over the weekend. It&#039;s hard to resist with the crazy stacked rebates and free RAM upgrades HP has going right now.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;741.99 shipped for a screaming tablet that&#039;s absolutely loaded. Un-freakin&#039;-believable. I can&#039;t wait to get my hands on this thing.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Do you have yours yet?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
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<p>@c.k.</p>
<p>I just ordered a tx2500z over the weekend. It&#8217;s hard to resist with the crazy stacked rebates and free RAM upgrades HP has going right now.</p>
<p>741.99 shipped for a screaming tablet that&#8217;s absolutely loaded. Un-freakin&#8217;-believable. I can&#8217;t wait to get my hands on this thing.</p>
<p>Do you have yours yet?</p>
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		<title>By: c.k.</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2008/08/28/jkontherun-deba/#comment-3798</link>
		<dc:creator>c.k.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 16:01:50 +0000</pubDate>
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        &lt;p&gt;I think Apple will most likely come out with a small tablet computer this fall. Why do I think this? Because I finally gave up waiting for one and bought an HP tx2500. That ensures that we&#039;ll all see a Mac Tablet priced just out of the realm of reasonable this fall. Yep. *sigh*&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>I think Apple will most likely come out with a small tablet computer this fall. Why do I think this? Because I finally gave up waiting for one and bought an HP tx2500. That ensures that we&#8217;ll all see a Mac Tablet priced just out of the realm of reasonable this fall. Yep. *sigh*</p>
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		<title>By: ben</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2008/08/28/jkontherun-deba/#comment-3799</link>
		<dc:creator>ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 14:43:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;div xmlns=&quot;http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;@Nate&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I made the mistake of reading 12 pages of posts on Psystar&#039;s countersuit in the MacRumors forum last night.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Thinking about this again, I am 100% sure that Apple won&#039;t release a netbook.  Why would anyone buy a Macbook Air for $1800 when you could get an Apple netbook (at the same weight, with the same performance, with the same OSX and maybe even more ports) for $1000 cheaper?  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If Apple releases anything, it will be a Newton-like jumbo iPod Touch that will be declared &quot;revolutionary&quot;, will be difficult to type on and will leave out one or more major functions that most of us require.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
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<p>@Nate</p>
<p>I made the mistake of reading 12 pages of posts on Psystar&#8217;s countersuit in the MacRumors forum last night.  </p>
<p>Thinking about this again, I am 100% sure that Apple won&#8217;t release a netbook.  Why would anyone buy a Macbook Air for $1800 when you could get an Apple netbook (at the same weight, with the same performance, with the same OSX and maybe even more ports) for $1000 cheaper?  </p>
<p>If Apple releases anything, it will be a Newton-like jumbo iPod Touch that will be declared &#8220;revolutionary&#8221;, will be difficult to type on and will leave out one or more major functions that most of us require.</p>
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		<title>By: Nate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 14:30:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;div xmlns=&quot;http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;Thanks for the laugh ben.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Next time you need to figure out where to work in the term &quot;Winblowz&quot;. I think that&#039;s about the only thing you missed.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
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<p>Thanks for the laugh ben.</p>
<p>Next time you need to figure out where to work in the term &#8220;Winblowz&#8221;. I think that&#8217;s about the only thing you missed.</p>
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		<title>By: Nate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 14:28:41 +0000</pubDate>
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        &lt;p&gt;I want it to be 1000 dollars cheaper than Apple is sure to sell it for.&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>I want it to be 1000 dollars cheaper than Apple is sure to sell it for.</p>
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		<title>By: PJE</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2008/08/28/jkontherun-deba/#comment-3802</link>
		<dc:creator>PJE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 14:20:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;div xmlns=&quot;http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;I think Apple are more likely to release an 7/8.9&quot; multi-touch tablet type device. I&#039;d pay $600 for such as device. Add their nice Bluetooth external keyboard (as an $$ extra) and you get a netbook - especially if they can be clipped together.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Loosing the keyboard would save money (not a lot in volume) and also differentiate their product on the market.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Sort of a big screen color OS-X Newton.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
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<p>I think Apple are more likely to release an 7/8.9&#8243; multi-touch tablet type device. I&#8217;d pay $600 for such as device. Add their nice Bluetooth external keyboard (as an $$ extra) and you get a netbook &#8211; especially if they can be clipped together.</p>
<p>Loosing the keyboard would save money (not a lot in volume) and also differentiate their product on the market.</p>
<p>Sort of a big screen color OS-X Newton.</p>
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		<title>By: ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 14:08:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;div xmlns=&quot;http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;And yes, I know I should just by a Macbook if I want a cheap Apple laptop and that I shouldn&#039;t ever question Apple&#039;s prices or their profit margins. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I know that if I don&#039;t like Apple&#039;s current product line I don&#039;t have to buy anything from them and that I&#039;m not cool enough to understand the Apple aesthetic and that I&#039;m probably jealous and just too poor to be able to afford Apple kit and that I should just stop whining and go back to my parent&#039;s basement and stop eating cheetos because I am probably a fat loser with no girlfriend.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
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<p>And yes, I know I should just by a Macbook if I want a cheap Apple laptop and that I shouldn&#8217;t ever question Apple&#8217;s prices or their profit margins. </p>
<p>I know that if I don&#8217;t like Apple&#8217;s current product line I don&#8217;t have to buy anything from them and that I&#8217;m not cool enough to understand the Apple aesthetic and that I&#8217;m probably jealous and just too poor to be able to afford Apple kit and that I should just stop whining and go back to my parent&#8217;s basement and stop eating cheetos because I am probably a fat loser with no girlfriend.</p>
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		<title>By: ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 14:00:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Didn&#039;t Apple already release a netbook called the Macbook Air?  Seriously, I don&#039;t think Apple has any plans to release any ultraportable that doesn&#039;t cost less than $1500.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If they did release a netbook, I&#039;d want it to have a netbook price (&lt;$700), at least 2 USB ports, a HDD and a keyboard.  Unfortunately, I think they&#039;d release something like a jumbo iPod touch or something equally useless.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<p>If they did release a netbook, I&#8217;d want it to have a netbook price (< $700), at least 2 USB ports, a HDD and a keyboard.  Unfortunately, I think they'd release something like a jumbo iPod touch or something equally useless.</p></p>
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		<title>By: Sumocat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sumocat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 13:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;div xmlns=&quot;http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;I agree with James about the price. Unless Apple releases a $500 model, it shouldn&#039;t be called a netbook. However, if it was running a stripped down version of Mac OS X optimized for Internet, I&#039;d reconsider.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;d be more convinced if Apple were to take the netbook concept a step further and make Dashboard the OS. Dashboard is basically a front-end for the WebKit engine. Wouldn&#039;t be hard to roll in a web browser and email app. Then you could use Dashboard as the main UI, switching to the regular (but still stripped down) OS X side for settings and whatnot. Hard to argue a notebook using a web rendering engine to drive its main interface is not a netbook.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
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<p>I agree with James about the price. Unless Apple releases a $500 model, it shouldn&#8217;t be called a netbook. However, if it was running a stripped down version of Mac OS X optimized for Internet, I&#8217;d reconsider.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d be more convinced if Apple were to take the netbook concept a step further and make Dashboard the OS. Dashboard is basically a front-end for the WebKit engine. Wouldn&#8217;t be hard to roll in a web browser and email app. Then you could use Dashboard as the main UI, switching to the regular (but still stripped down) OS X side for settings and whatnot. Hard to argue a notebook using a web rendering engine to drive its main interface is not a netbook.</p>
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