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		<title>By: Vincent Benedict P. Castro</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2008/09/03/benchmarking-th/#comment-3438</link>
		<dc:creator>Vincent Benedict P. Castro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 04:09:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;div xmlns=&quot;http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;I decided to buy an MSI Wind today, I am getting it when I get off work in 30 minutes. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;My friend [he sells/distributes MSI notebooks here in the PH] told me that I could get a 2Gb RAM + 160Gb model. I am not sure if they just opened the wind and slapped on more RAM and a higher capacity HDD. This model isn&#039;t on the MSI site, still I don&#039;t mind more RAM and a bigger HDD ;) I&#039;m getting it at PhP 24,000.00 about USD 518.13, it comes with XP home and the 3 cell battery [no 6 cells after even a month in the market here???]&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
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<p>I decided to buy an MSI Wind today, I am getting it when I get off work in 30 minutes. </p>
<p>My friend [he sells/distributes MSI notebooks here in the PH] told me that I could get a 2Gb RAM + 160Gb model. I am not sure if they just opened the wind and slapped on more RAM and a higher capacity HDD. This model isn&#8217;t on the MSI site, still I don&#8217;t mind more RAM and a bigger HDD <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  I&#8217;m getting it at PhP 24,000.00 about USD 518.13, it comes with XP home and the 3 cell battery [no 6 cells after even a month in the market here???]</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin C. Tofel</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2008/09/03/benchmarking-th/#comment-3443</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin C. Tofel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 03:19:28 +0000</pubDate>
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        &lt;p&gt;With 1.33 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo and Intel 965 graphics, I would *expect* the P-100 to have these benchmarks. It&#039;s also around $2,500, no? &lt;/p&gt;
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<p>With 1.33 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo and Intel 965 graphics, I would *expect* the P-100 to have these benchmarks. It&#8217;s also around $2,500, no? </p>
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		<title>By: dh</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2008/09/03/benchmarking-th/#comment-3444</link>
		<dc:creator>dh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 02:31:08 +0000</pubDate>
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        &lt;p&gt;Haven&#039;t seen anything get near the LG-P100 for benchmarks yet and for a 1.2kg device it&#039;s amazingly powerful. I was hoping the everun note would do it but although by everun&#039;s benchmark it&#039;s fast it&#039;s not mindblowing.&lt;br /&gt;
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<p>Haven&#8217;t seen anything get near the LG-P100 for benchmarks yet and for a 1.2kg device it&#8217;s amazingly powerful. I was hoping the everun note would do it but although by everun&#8217;s benchmark it&#8217;s fast it&#8217;s not mindblowing.<br />
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		<title>By: Kevin C. Tofel</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2008/09/03/benchmarking-th/#comment-3445</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin C. Tofel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 12:50:41 +0000</pubDate>
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        &lt;p&gt;Bob, I do a full boot in our video walkthrough posted yesterday. Should be around 45 seconds or so. I also show the device going to sleep and resuming. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.jkontherun.com/2008/09/jkontherun-firs.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.jkontherun.com/2008/09/jkontherun-firs.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>Bob, I do a full boot in our video walkthrough posted yesterday. Should be around 45 seconds or so. I also show the device going to sleep and resuming. <a href="http://www.jkontherun.com/2008/09/jkontherun-firs.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.jkontherun.com/2008/09/jkontherun-firs.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bob in Pittsburgh</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2008/09/03/benchmarking-th/#comment-3446</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob in Pittsburgh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 12:45:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;div xmlns=&quot;http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;My MSI Wind (3-cell) arrived today.  Build quality looks nice, and the form factor is just what I&#039;m looking for.  What&#039;s the drill with lithium-ion batteries - do I need to let it charge fully before I power the unit up?  I&#039;d rather not cripple the battery life just because I can&#039;t wait to try it out.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As for benchmarks, the most important one for me will be how long it takes to boot up and shut down.  Most of the stuff I&#039;ll be doing shouldn&#039;t stress the processor to its maximum capacity.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
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<p>My MSI Wind (3-cell) arrived today.  Build quality looks nice, and the form factor is just what I&#8217;m looking for.  What&#8217;s the drill with lithium-ion batteries &#8211; do I need to let it charge fully before I power the unit up?  I&#8217;d rather not cripple the battery life just because I can&#8217;t wait to try it out.</p>
<p>As for benchmarks, the most important one for me will be how long it takes to boot up and shut down.  Most of the stuff I&#8217;ll be doing shouldn&#8217;t stress the processor to its maximum capacity.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin C. Tofel</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2008/09/03/benchmarking-th/#comment-3448</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin C. Tofel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 12:25:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;div xmlns=&quot;http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;Weeze-Dog, good point but all of the other benchmarks I&#039;ve done (and compared these results to) were using the same environment: out of the box with the same benchmark tool. The point of this test was to give folks a general idea of the CrystalMark scores as I&#039;ve done with five devices prior. It&#039;s just an indicator. As far as the post title that you&#039;ve quoted: it was toungue-in-cheek. I don&#039;t personally base my purchase decisions based solely on benchmarks, as I alluded to in my post. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Regardless, I&#039;m in the midst of other tests and will see what I can do. Thanks!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
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<p>Weeze-Dog, good point but all of the other benchmarks I&#8217;ve done (and compared these results to) were using the same environment: out of the box with the same benchmark tool. The point of this test was to give folks a general idea of the CrystalMark scores as I&#8217;ve done with five devices prior. It&#8217;s just an indicator. As far as the post title that you&#8217;ve quoted: it was toungue-in-cheek. I don&#8217;t personally base my purchase decisions based solely on benchmarks, as I alluded to in my post. </p>
<p>Regardless, I&#8217;m in the midst of other tests and will see what I can do. Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Weeze-Dog</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2008/09/03/benchmarking-th/#comment-3449</link>
		<dc:creator>Weeze-Dog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 12:15:28 +0000</pubDate>
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        &lt;p&gt;Oh I forgot to add that the reason I brought it up is that your statement &quot;MSI Wind benchmarks: maybe I shouldn&#039;t have bought that $1,300 UMPC&quot; implies that you are basing your decision strictly on benchmarks alone, and I&#039;m saything that the benchmark is not an apples-to-apples comparsion given the fact that core solo is single thread only and atom is hyper-threaded. A real comparision between the two needs to be single threaded only, given most applications are single threaded.&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>Oh I forgot to add that the reason I brought it up is that your statement &#8220;MSI Wind benchmarks: maybe I shouldn&#8217;t have bought that $1,300 UMPC&#8221; implies that you are basing your decision strictly on benchmarks alone, and I&#8217;m saything that the benchmark is not an apples-to-apples comparsion given the fact that core solo is single thread only and atom is hyper-threaded. A real comparision between the two needs to be single threaded only, given most applications are single threaded.</p>
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		<title>By: Weeze-Dog</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2008/09/03/benchmarking-th/#comment-3450</link>
		<dc:creator>Weeze-Dog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 12:02:07 +0000</pubDate>
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        &lt;p&gt;My point is that while the Atom and Core Solo may benchmark similar, the benchmark for Atom won&#039;t reflect real world performance as the overwhelming majority of apps are single-threaded only. A fairer benchmark comparision between core solo and atom would be to disable hyper-threading. This would give a better indicator as to how a single application run on Atom would perform against Core Solo. Aka it would benchmark single-threaded performance.&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>My point is that while the Atom and Core Solo may benchmark similar, the benchmark for Atom won&#8217;t reflect real world performance as the overwhelming majority of apps are single-threaded only. A fairer benchmark comparision between core solo and atom would be to disable hyper-threading. This would give a better indicator as to how a single application run on Atom would perform against Core Solo. Aka it would benchmark single-threaded performance.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin C. Tofel</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2008/09/03/benchmarking-th/#comment-3451</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin C. Tofel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 11:04:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;div xmlns=&quot;http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;Weeze-dog, you might be technically correct, but I&#039;m not sure it matters from an end-user standpoint. The fact that the Atom does support HT in it&#039;s standard out-of-the-box configuration is how it will typically be used. Why would a consumer turn it off when they have the functionality available?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Olly, I sold my Eee PC 701, but I should have a comparison of the Wind and the Eee PC 1000H up in the next few days.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Chris, I&#039;m surprised you&#039;re only seeing 4 to 4.5 hours. Notebook Hardware Control tells me that the device drains around 10 Watts and the 6-cell battery is 56 W/hrs. Mathematically this should be around 5.5 hours, but of course I&#039;ll test.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Build quality is excellent. Better than the Acer, which wasn&#039;t bad to begin with.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
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<p>Weeze-dog, you might be technically correct, but I&#8217;m not sure it matters from an end-user standpoint. The fact that the Atom does support HT in it&#8217;s standard out-of-the-box configuration is how it will typically be used. Why would a consumer turn it off when they have the functionality available?</p>
<p>Olly, I sold my Eee PC 701, but I should have a comparison of the Wind and the Eee PC 1000H up in the next few days.</p>
<p>Chris, I&#8217;m surprised you&#8217;re only seeing 4 to 4.5 hours. Notebook Hardware Control tells me that the device drains around 10 Watts and the 6-cell battery is 56 W/hrs. Mathematically this should be around 5.5 hours, but of course I&#8217;ll test.</p>
<p>Build quality is excellent. Better than the Acer, which wasn&#8217;t bad to begin with.</p>
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		<title>By: LollipopAssasin</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2008/09/03/benchmarking-th/#comment-3452</link>
		<dc:creator>LollipopAssasin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 10:49:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;div xmlns=&quot;http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;another 6-cell Wind owner, where are you guys finding them are they readily available yet (all i can find is 3-cell)?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;what are the battery specs?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;hows the build quality?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
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<p>another 6-cell Wind owner, where are you guys finding them are they readily available yet (all i can find is 3-cell)?</p>
<p>what are the battery specs?</p>
<p>hows the build quality?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 10:33:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;div xmlns=&quot;http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;Thanks for posting this. I just recently purchased an MSI Wind (6 cell) and was curious as to how it stacked up. I&#039;d love to see a spreadsheet type of look of how the MSI stacks up against the other UMPC&#039;s in it&#039;s class, although I wouldn&#039;t be expecting much of a difference between them. Overall I&#039;m impressed with the speed of the MSI, it&#039;s snappy in most scenarios. I do notice a bit of lag in programs opening, but that&#039;s most likely XP for you.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;BTW Unless you&#039;re operating with no bluetooth, wireless and screen turned all the way down...you&#039;re probably only going to get four hours out of the six cell. Four and a half is pushing it.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Oh and a note about the screen...it&#039;s SUPER bright...I have mine turned down as much as it can go and it&#039;s perfectly visible. No need to waste juice at full power IMO. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
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<p>Thanks for posting this. I just recently purchased an MSI Wind (6 cell) and was curious as to how it stacked up. I&#8217;d love to see a spreadsheet type of look of how the MSI stacks up against the other UMPC&#8217;s in it&#8217;s class, although I wouldn&#8217;t be expecting much of a difference between them. Overall I&#8217;m impressed with the speed of the MSI, it&#8217;s snappy in most scenarios. I do notice a bit of lag in programs opening, but that&#8217;s most likely XP for you.</p>
<p>BTW Unless you&#8217;re operating with no bluetooth, wireless and screen turned all the way down&#8230;you&#8217;re probably only going to get four hours out of the six cell. Four and a half is pushing it.</p>
<p>Oh and a note about the screen&#8230;it&#8217;s SUPER bright&#8230;I have mine turned down as much as it can go and it&#8217;s perfectly visible. No need to waste juice at full power IMO. </p>
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		<title>By: olly</title>
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		<dc:creator>olly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 10:29:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;div xmlns=&quot;http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;Kevin -- I&#039;m not a total stickler for benchmarks, but thanks for the continuing coverage of the Wind -- I&#039;ve been trying to decide on a netbook (since selling my EEE 701 as I just couldn&#039;t hang with the cramped keyboard), and the Wind is one of my top choices.  If you still have an EEE hanging around, would you mind shooting a size comparison?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Thanks,&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>Kevin &#8212; I&#8217;m not a total stickler for benchmarks, but thanks for the continuing coverage of the Wind &#8212; I&#8217;ve been trying to decide on a netbook (since selling my EEE 701 as I just couldn&#8217;t hang with the cramped keyboard), and the Wind is one of my top choices.  If you still have an EEE hanging around, would you mind shooting a size comparison?</p>
<p>Thanks,</p>
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		<title>By: Weeze-dog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Weeze-dog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 10:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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        &lt;p&gt;I question how much hyper-threading inflates the FPU/ALU score. On a single threaded app, hyper-threading would have no effect, that shoud make the core solo much faster.&lt;br /&gt;
Can you re-run the benchmark with hyper-threading disabled? Hopefully there is an option in the bios to disable it, if not it there are still ways to do it, but it gets more complicated.&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>I question how much hyper-threading inflates the FPU/ALU score. On a single threaded app, hyper-threading would have no effect, that shoud make the core solo much faster.<br />
Can you re-run the benchmark with hyper-threading disabled? Hopefully there is an option in the bios to disable it, if not it there are still ways to do it, but it gets more complicated.</p>
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