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	<title>Comments on: A $300 Choice: Netbook or CrunchPad?</title>
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	<description>Using mobile devices since they weighed 30 lbs.</description>
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		<title>By: remote desktop software</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2009/01/19/a-300-choice-netbook-or-crunchpad/#comment-70189</link>
		<dc:creator>remote desktop software</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 18:57:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The virtual keyboard means you can be less careful with your crunchpad than with a netbook. The crunchpad can be brought on camping trips and outdoor-type events that could be dangerous to a netbook due to external elements (such as rain, sand, dirt, etc.). I would be uncomfortable eating and drinking near my laptop or netbook in case I spilled my beverage or dropped crumbs between the keys of my keyboard. There are many scenarios in a typical week that would require me to use a crunchpad rather than a less protected device.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The virtual keyboard means you can be less careful with your crunchpad than with a netbook. The crunchpad can be brought on camping trips and outdoor-type events that could be dangerous to a netbook due to external elements (such as rain, sand, dirt, etc.). I would be uncomfortable eating and drinking near my laptop or netbook in case I spilled my beverage or dropped crumbs between the keys of my keyboard. There are many scenarios in a typical week that would require me to use a crunchpad rather than a less protected device.</p>
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		<title>By: sull</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2009/01/19/a-300-choice-netbook-or-crunchpad/#comment-49831</link>
		<dc:creator>sull</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 21:35:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yep, exactly what i was thinking would be great... a hybrid and i want one!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yep, exactly what i was thinking would be great&#8230; a hybrid and i want one!</p>
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		<title>By: gmeader</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2009/01/19/a-300-choice-netbook-or-crunchpad/#comment-49830</link>
		<dc:creator>gmeader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 21:20:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.alwaysinnovating.com just announced something similar for $299 (with removable keyboard/base.) So it&#039;s both a touch tablet and a Netbook.

    * 9.4&quot; x 7&quot; x 1.4&quot; for 2 lbs (with keyboard)
    * ARM Texas Instruments OMAP3 chip
    * 1024x600 8.9&#039;&#039; screen
    * Storage: 8GB micro SD card
    * WIFI 802.11b/g/n and Bluetooth
    * 3-dimensional accelerometer
    * Speakers, micro and headphone
    * 6 USB 2.0 (3 internal, 2 external, 1 mini)
    * 10h to 15 hours of battery life

Also hardware is OpenSource schematics are published on website.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.alwaysinnovating.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.alwaysinnovating.com</a> just announced something similar for $299 (with removable keyboard/base.) So it&#8217;s both a touch tablet and a Netbook.</p>
<p>    * 9.4&#8243; x 7&#8243; x 1.4&#8243; for 2 lbs (with keyboard)<br />
    * ARM Texas Instruments OMAP3 chip<br />
    * 1024&#215;600 8.9&#8221; screen<br />
    * Storage: 8GB micro SD card<br />
    * WIFI 802.11b/g/n and Bluetooth<br />
    * 3-dimensional accelerometer<br />
    * Speakers, micro and headphone<br />
    * 6 USB 2.0 (3 internal, 2 external, 1 mini)<br />
    * 10h to 15 hours of battery life</p>
<p>Also hardware is OpenSource schematics are published on website.</p>
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		<title>By: samir</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2009/01/19/a-300-choice-netbook-or-crunchpad/#comment-46643</link>
		<dc:creator>samir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 13:27:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why not join all our knowledge and create the ultimate MID ?

http://prototypemadereal.blogspot.com/

There is the iFrame from Olivier Seres, the CrunchPad and the OS from Tarik Krim, Jolicloud.

The MID should be the look of the PRS-700 e-reader but with all the fancy features, is that possible ?

How much money do you need for that ?

Is it possible to have the SSD on the mainboard ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why not join all our knowledge and create the ultimate MID ?</p>
<p><a href="http://prototypemadereal.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://prototypemadereal.blogspot.com/</a></p>
<p>There is the iFrame from Olivier Seres, the CrunchPad and the OS from Tarik Krim, Jolicloud.</p>
<p>The MID should be the look of the PRS-700 e-reader but with all the fancy features, is that possible ?</p>
<p>How much money do you need for that ?</p>
<p>Is it possible to have the SSD on the mainboard ?</p>
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		<title>By: sull</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2009/01/19/a-300-choice-netbook-or-crunchpad/#comment-46358</link>
		<dc:creator>sull</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 17:46:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>so-called netbooks are fine but you  have to realize that a keyboard is not needed for casual browsing and brief input.  if you need to type alot, grab your laptop/netbook or go to you desktop or plug in a usb keyboard.  a built in keyboard gets in the way.  sit on the couch with just the touchscreen and its a much nicer experience.  
also, it works for in the kitchen or in bed for reading and it looks nicer than having to see a keyboard.  it can double as a digital photo frame or passive information display (clock, weather, headlines etc).  you could also attach to a wall.  a netbook is different and really not worth comparing simply because of price and whats under the hood.  its a different form factor that many people would enjoy around the house.

however, i do think that a hybrid netbook/webpad would be nice too.  as long as the keyboard could double as a stand, be hidden behind the unit and/or be removed all together... like a mini HP tc1100 and other slate tablet hybrids with detachable keyboards.

funny how people always seem to need to take sides instead of seeing the value in all hardware designs.  

as for techcrunch.  they can do this project as a novelty but they are too late to be an early entrant into the market because i am certain the competition will be fierce.  apple will have a larger iTouch and that alone would be too much to compete against. nevermind ALL the big computer brands will have their own webpads within 2 years.  so why should techcrunch bother?  i say, good job getting a discussion around the concept and possibly igniting more agressive efforts by the companies that are properly equipped to deliver these devices to the market.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so-called netbooks are fine but you  have to realize that a keyboard is not needed for casual browsing and brief input.  if you need to type alot, grab your laptop/netbook or go to you desktop or plug in a usb keyboard.  a built in keyboard gets in the way.  sit on the couch with just the touchscreen and its a much nicer experience.<br />
also, it works for in the kitchen or in bed for reading and it looks nicer than having to see a keyboard.  it can double as a digital photo frame or passive information display (clock, weather, headlines etc).  you could also attach to a wall.  a netbook is different and really not worth comparing simply because of price and whats under the hood.  its a different form factor that many people would enjoy around the house.</p>
<p>however, i do think that a hybrid netbook/webpad would be nice too.  as long as the keyboard could double as a stand, be hidden behind the unit and/or be removed all together&#8230; like a mini HP tc1100 and other slate tablet hybrids with detachable keyboards.</p>
<p>funny how people always seem to need to take sides instead of seeing the value in all hardware designs.  </p>
<p>as for techcrunch.  they can do this project as a novelty but they are too late to be an early entrant into the market because i am certain the competition will be fierce.  apple will have a larger iTouch and that alone would be too much to compete against. nevermind ALL the big computer brands will have their own webpads within 2 years.  so why should techcrunch bother?  i say, good job getting a discussion around the concept and possibly igniting more agressive efforts by the companies that are properly equipped to deliver these devices to the market.</p>
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		<title>By: TateJ</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2009/01/19/a-300-choice-netbook-or-crunchpad/#comment-46230</link>
		<dc:creator>TateJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 22:13:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m intrigued by this device.  I think it is a good idea if the price is low enough and the battery lasts long enough.  

I&#039;m thinking of my 77 year old mother.  With this should could:

- have an on-screen icon to get her email.  She doesn&#039;t type, so tapping out a response with the on-screen keyboard would be good enough.  All of her mails tend to be a few words or one or 2 sentences

- have on-screen icons linked to the two or  three websites she likes to visit

- have an icon that links to a photo site where she can see pitures of the grand kids

I&#039;d have to take a few minutes to set it up for her, but I think a tablet like this might be less intimidating to her than firing up the desktop.

I currently have a desktop set very much like this, but she voiced a desire to be able to &quot;look at the internet and read my letters&quot; from several spots in the house.  This device she would carry around.  A laptop is a bit much and a netbook screen is too small.  And as she puts it,  &quot;you always have to wait for it to turn on.&quot;

Just my thoughts...

I</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m intrigued by this device.  I think it is a good idea if the price is low enough and the battery lasts long enough.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m thinking of my 77 year old mother.  With this should could:</p>
<p>- have an on-screen icon to get her email.  She doesn&#8217;t type, so tapping out a response with the on-screen keyboard would be good enough.  All of her mails tend to be a few words or one or 2 sentences</p>
<p>- have on-screen icons linked to the two or  three websites she likes to visit</p>
<p>- have an icon that links to a photo site where she can see pitures of the grand kids</p>
<p>I&#8217;d have to take a few minutes to set it up for her, but I think a tablet like this might be less intimidating to her than firing up the desktop.</p>
<p>I currently have a desktop set very much like this, but she voiced a desire to be able to &#8220;look at the internet and read my letters&#8221; from several spots in the house.  This device she would carry around.  A laptop is a bit much and a netbook screen is too small.  And as she puts it,  &#8220;you always have to wait for it to turn on.&#8221;</p>
<p>Just my thoughts&#8230;</p>
<p>I</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Atkins</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2009/01/19/a-300-choice-netbook-or-crunchpad/#comment-46229</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Atkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 22:01:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d rather have a netbook than the Crunchpad.  Sorry TechCruch.  Great idea, but the market is being flooding with netbooks that seem to have more features, options, and better prices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d rather have a netbook than the Crunchpad.  Sorry TechCruch.  Great idea, but the market is being flooding with netbooks that seem to have more features, options, and better prices.</p>
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		<title>By: miguelv</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2009/01/19/a-300-choice-netbook-or-crunchpad/#comment-46217</link>
		<dc:creator>miguelv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 20:07:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I&#039;ll go with a netbook... Simply because it can do everything this tablet can do and more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I&#8217;ll go with a netbook&#8230; Simply because it can do everything this tablet can do and more.</p>
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		<title>By: William C Bonner</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2009/01/19/a-300-choice-netbook-or-crunchpad/#comment-46216</link>
		<dc:creator>William C Bonner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 19:59:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems to me that the first modification I&#039;d want from a web browsing tablet is that it needs to run in portrait mode so that I can see a reasonable amount of each page on the screen without scrolling. (Which is the same problem I have with the crop of netbooks that have less than 600 vertical pixels)

What I basically would like is an iPod touch with a larger screen, say a 10 inch screen.  But the cost escalating above impulse purchase price makes this all a thought exercise as opposed to something that I&#039;d actually buy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to me that the first modification I&#8217;d want from a web browsing tablet is that it needs to run in portrait mode so that I can see a reasonable amount of each page on the screen without scrolling. (Which is the same problem I have with the crop of netbooks that have less than 600 vertical pixels)</p>
<p>What I basically would like is an iPod touch with a larger screen, say a 10 inch screen.  But the cost escalating above impulse purchase price makes this all a thought exercise as opposed to something that I&#8217;d actually buy.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2009/01/19/a-300-choice-netbook-or-crunchpad/#comment-46215</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 19:59:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny thing. I just bought an EEE PC 900a at Best Buy this past Friday. 1GB RAM, 4GB SSD, just like the Crunchpad. I paid $200. Now, maybe Best Buy didn&#039;t make money, because it was marked down, but I&#039;ll bet Asus did.

This device is largely the same spec as the Crunchpad, save for screen (and keyboard). And I paid the target price for Arrington&#039;s device.

I think the Crunchpad makes more sense if it is physically much smaller and ditches x86. For the defined purpose of the device (a superset of web browser) there is no good reason to stay x86, as it is too expensive from a hardware as well as power budget perspective. I should think ARM makes more sense, especially something like the Nvidia Tegra platform, or whatever Cortex processor is in the Archos 5 and 7 devices. I personally would be interested in a device that was the physical size of my Sony PRS505 reader in it&#039;s leather case. Roughly that of a paperback book.

The real bogey is if Apple makes an upsized iPod Touch. If that screen grew to ~5-7 inches, Apple would sell more at the probable $500 price than Arrington could sell at $200, let alone $300.

Remember the quote from Steve Jobs when asked about if Apple would make a netbook, he said they wouldn&#039;t enter that market because they didn&#039;t know how to make a $500 computer that wasn&#039;t junk. They do know how to make an iPod Touch that isn&#039;t. More screen, more battery, and Boom! they&#039;re done designing it. The Touch gives lie to the thought that x86 is needed for rendering the complicated pages of today. Linux with a flash plugin on a Webkit browser would be formidable.

Patrick</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny thing. I just bought an EEE PC 900a at Best Buy this past Friday. 1GB RAM, 4GB SSD, just like the Crunchpad. I paid $200. Now, maybe Best Buy didn&#8217;t make money, because it was marked down, but I&#8217;ll bet Asus did.</p>
<p>This device is largely the same spec as the Crunchpad, save for screen (and keyboard). And I paid the target price for Arrington&#8217;s device.</p>
<p>I think the Crunchpad makes more sense if it is physically much smaller and ditches x86. For the defined purpose of the device (a superset of web browser) there is no good reason to stay x86, as it is too expensive from a hardware as well as power budget perspective. I should think ARM makes more sense, especially something like the Nvidia Tegra platform, or whatever Cortex processor is in the Archos 5 and 7 devices. I personally would be interested in a device that was the physical size of my Sony PRS505 reader in it&#8217;s leather case. Roughly that of a paperback book.</p>
<p>The real bogey is if Apple makes an upsized iPod Touch. If that screen grew to ~5-7 inches, Apple would sell more at the probable $500 price than Arrington could sell at $200, let alone $300.</p>
<p>Remember the quote from Steve Jobs when asked about if Apple would make a netbook, he said they wouldn&#8217;t enter that market because they didn&#8217;t know how to make a $500 computer that wasn&#8217;t junk. They do know how to make an iPod Touch that isn&#8217;t. More screen, more battery, and Boom! they&#8217;re done designing it. The Touch gives lie to the thought that x86 is needed for rendering the complicated pages of today. Linux with a flash plugin on a Webkit browser would be formidable.</p>
<p>Patrick</p>
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		<title>By: Mtoc</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2009/01/19/a-300-choice-netbook-or-crunchpad/#comment-46203</link>
		<dc:creator>Mtoc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 17:40:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>isn&#039;t this the company that openly &amp; harshly dissed netbooks?

and this is the alternative device they create?

i guess they see now it isnt as easy as they thought it was. there is so much fundamentally wrong with this that it isnt even worth my time listing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>isn&#8217;t this the company that openly &amp; harshly dissed netbooks?</p>
<p>and this is the alternative device they create?</p>
<p>i guess they see now it isnt as easy as they thought it was. there is so much fundamentally wrong with this that it isnt even worth my time listing.</p>
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		<title>By: Nate</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2009/01/19/a-300-choice-netbook-or-crunchpad/#comment-46202</link>
		<dc:creator>Nate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 17:38:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a classic case of a guy assuming that everyone else wants what he wants.

Arrington thinks that the netbook fills a niche, and no one wants or needs them. Sales of netbooks are proving otherwise.

He&#039;s trying to plug a hole that doesn&#039;t need filling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a classic case of a guy assuming that everyone else wants what he wants.</p>
<p>Arrington thinks that the netbook fills a niche, and no one wants or needs them. Sales of netbooks are proving otherwise.</p>
<p>He&#8217;s trying to plug a hole that doesn&#8217;t need filling.</p>
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		<title>By: Mari Silbey</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2009/01/19/a-300-choice-netbook-or-crunchpad/#comment-46198</link>
		<dc:creator>Mari Silbey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 17:03:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Netbook, netbook, netbook all the way. I agree that two years ago it would have been a different story. Now I can&#039;t imagine who would buy this who wouldn&#039;t buy a netbook instead. Unless some kind of stylization turns this into a status symbol. Not seeing it in the prototype.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Netbook, netbook, netbook all the way. I agree that two years ago it would have been a different story. Now I can&#8217;t imagine who would buy this who wouldn&#8217;t buy a netbook instead. Unless some kind of stylization turns this into a status symbol. Not seeing it in the prototype.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2009/01/19/a-300-choice-netbook-or-crunchpad/#comment-46192</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 16:30:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Runs a full-blown OS but they&#039;re going to strip out everything but the browser because why?  Are you even going to be &quot;allowed&quot; to add anything else?  Wow, take a platform with a lot of capability and neuter it.  No thank you, not for 3 C&#039;s.  Seems like they are trying to do the wrong thing on the wrong hardware, like it should just use a low-power ARM chip or something.  Why carry a bulky dumb web display when I can tote a slightly smaller and fully capable netbook instead?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Runs a full-blown OS but they&#8217;re going to strip out everything but the browser because why?  Are you even going to be &#8220;allowed&#8221; to add anything else?  Wow, take a platform with a lot of capability and neuter it.  No thank you, not for 3 C&#8217;s.  Seems like they are trying to do the wrong thing on the wrong hardware, like it should just use a low-power ARM chip or something.  Why carry a bulky dumb web display when I can tote a slightly smaller and fully capable netbook instead?</p>
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		<title>By: heath</title>
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		<dc:creator>heath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 16:19:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>neat that they were able to do that, but netbooks simply have taken up what niche they may have been able to corner with this.. too late! 

i do think the android tablet idea may have some merit though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>neat that they were able to do that, but netbooks simply have taken up what niche they may have been able to corner with this.. too late! </p>
<p>i do think the android tablet idea may have some merit though.</p>
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		<title>By: nomo</title>
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		<dc:creator>nomo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 15:41:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps this could be a more cost effective tool for intraweb-based enterprise applications that would otherwise use a Motion tablet or Fujitsu convertible (e.g. health care, warehouse, etc). IMO the consumer market will largely prefer the features and brand name recognition of netbooks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps this could be a more cost effective tool for intraweb-based enterprise applications that would otherwise use a Motion tablet or Fujitsu convertible (e.g. health care, warehouse, etc). IMO the consumer market will largely prefer the features and brand name recognition of netbooks.</p>
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