Comments on: iPhone 3.0: Underwhelming, Super-Exciting or Just Right? http://jkontherun.com/2009/03/17/iphone-30-underwhelming-super-exciting-or-just-right/ Using mobile devices since they weighed 30 lbs. Sun, 22 Nov 2009 11:47:32 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Gordon Cahill http://jkontherun.com/2009/03/17/iphone-30-underwhelming-super-exciting-or-just-right/#comment-50804 Gordon Cahill Wed, 18 Mar 2009 07:05:39 +0000 http://jkontherun.com/?p=31950#comment-50804 Actually, WinMo is often customised by either the carrier or the manufacturer. So often WinMo is hobbled quite badly. WinMo is "capable" of everything but it's definately not always enabled. Actually, WinMo is often customised by either the carrier or the manufacturer. So often WinMo is hobbled quite badly. WinMo is “capable” of everything but it’s definately not always enabled.

]]> By: Ken http://jkontherun.com/2009/03/17/iphone-30-underwhelming-super-exciting-or-just-right/#comment-50773 Ken Tue, 17 Mar 2009 23:51:14 +0000 http://jkontherun.com/?p=31950#comment-50773 Unfortunately, its not free for iPod Touch owners! --Ken Unfortunately, its not free for iPod Touch owners!

–Ken

]]> By: Martini http://jkontherun.com/2009/03/17/iphone-30-underwhelming-super-exciting-or-just-right/#comment-50770 Martini Tue, 17 Mar 2009 23:37:53 +0000 http://jkontherun.com/?p=31950#comment-50770 This is on par with what I expected. iPhone is quickly moving away from Apple provided apps and to 3rd party provided apps and this preview from a developers perspective cements in that Apple will spend a lot of time implementing API's so that they work properly and are useful to developers with less risk of deprecation or changes down the line. Backgrounding is a non-issue, and I think it is funny to see a website that is essentially devoted to "cloud computing" be so critical of one of the perfect uses of cloud computing by Apple, in their push notification service. Push notifications are always a battery drain, unless the phone can get access to non-IP network services (such as those used by SMS) etc. While I would prefer to have my phone listen for any push message I have owned enough other phones with 3rd party apps listening for push messages over IP that I know this kills the battery. For example, WinMo never offered a good implementation of IMAP until 6.0, I always had to have a 3rd party email client. If you leave on Push IMAP on those clients you go from a full day of use to about 4-6 hours of use. Blackberry doesn't count because they "cheat" with their implementation of push email. Without their carrier based push cheat, BB would not be able to achieve a full day of battery usage either. So while heavily criticized, I see the user experience value of their notification system. More importantly, from a develop side, their push notification system alleviates the developer from spending a lot of time optimizing battery life with a Push based app. Instead you just plug into an already optimized push API system and you are done for the day. If you have ever programed an app for other platforms that receives message over IP, you will understand what a pain it is to optimize these for battery life. Also this cements in a hard road ahead for the Pre. Since the Pre is only on Sprint for 6 months and because of the huge developer backing of mobile OSX, Palm is going to have a long road ahead to catch up with enough user base to be a true competitor to the iPhone. I actually think gaming and apps like mobile ESPN could be the big road block for the Pre becoming as popular as the iPhone. If Palm were serious about competing with the iPhone, they should reconsider their 6 month exclusive with Sprint, or I'm afraid next year we will mostly be discussing iPhone vs. Android. This is on par with what I expected. iPhone is quickly moving away from Apple provided apps and to 3rd party provided apps and this preview from a developers perspective cements in that Apple will spend a lot of time implementing API’s so that they work properly and are useful to developers with less risk of deprecation or changes down the line.

Backgrounding is a non-issue, and I think it is funny to see a website that is essentially devoted to “cloud computing” be so critical of one of the perfect uses of cloud computing by Apple, in their push notification service. Push notifications are always a battery drain, unless the phone can get access to non-IP network services (such as those used by SMS) etc.

While I would prefer to have my phone listen for any push message I have owned enough other phones with 3rd party apps listening for push messages over IP that I know this kills the battery. For example, WinMo never offered a good implementation of IMAP until 6.0, I always had to have a 3rd party email client. If you leave on Push IMAP on those clients you go from a full day of use to about 4-6 hours of use. Blackberry doesn’t count because they “cheat” with their implementation of push email. Without their carrier based push cheat, BB would not be able to achieve a full day of battery usage either.

So while heavily criticized, I see the user experience value of their notification system. More importantly, from a develop side, their push notification system alleviates the developer from spending a lot of time optimizing battery life with a Push based app. Instead you just plug into an already optimized push API system and you are done for the day. If you have ever programed an app for other platforms that receives message over IP, you will understand what a pain it is to optimize these for battery life.

Also this cements in a hard road ahead for the Pre. Since the Pre is only on Sprint for 6 months and because of the huge developer backing of mobile OSX, Palm is going to have a long road ahead to catch up with enough user base to be a true competitor to the iPhone. I actually think gaming and apps like mobile ESPN could be the big road block for the Pre becoming as popular as the iPhone.

If Palm were serious about competing with the iPhone, they should reconsider their 6 month exclusive with Sprint, or I’m afraid next year we will mostly be discussing iPhone vs. Android.

]]> By: oneAwake http://jkontherun.com/2009/03/17/iphone-30-underwhelming-super-exciting-or-just-right/#comment-50767 oneAwake Tue, 17 Mar 2009 23:13:09 +0000 http://jkontherun.com/?p=31950#comment-50767 Haha, good one! Also, Winmo devices give you the ability to install apps up the ying-yang. Nothing has to be approved by Microsoft. Everything Apple demoed today is fools gold. Haha, good one! Also, Winmo devices give you the ability to install apps up the ying-yang. Nothing has to be approved by Microsoft. Everything Apple demoed today is fools gold.

]]> By: drphysx http://jkontherun.com/2009/03/17/iphone-30-underwhelming-super-exciting-or-just-right/#comment-50765 drphysx Tue, 17 Mar 2009 22:59:19 +0000 http://jkontherun.com/?p=31950#comment-50765 "I’ve had several WinMO phones and not one of them has ever provided an upgrade even when they could, not even an offer of a paid one." That's because WinMo has always had all of those features... “I’ve had several WinMO phones and not one of them has ever provided an upgrade even when they could, not even an offer of a paid one.”
That’s because WinMo has always had all of those features…

]]> By: Gordon Cahill http://jkontherun.com/2009/03/17/iphone-30-underwhelming-super-exciting-or-just-right/#comment-50762 Gordon Cahill Tue, 17 Mar 2009 22:40:00 +0000 http://jkontherun.com/?p=31950#comment-50762 I think you're all being a bit harsh. If you bought an iphone then you bought it without all those features and you bought it knowing they wern't there. Now you're getting a whole bunch of stuff for free (even the 2G owners) and you're winging about it. Seems like a pretty good deal for me. I've had several WinMO phones and not one of them has ever provided an upgrade even when they could, not even an offer of a paid one. And the upgrades to my Palm Treo were big fixes because it kept crashing. So I'm very happy. Thanks Apple. I think you’re all being a bit harsh. If you bought an iphone then you bought it without all those features and you bought it knowing they wern’t there. Now you’re getting a whole bunch of stuff for free (even the 2G owners) and you’re winging about it. Seems like a pretty good deal for me.

I’ve had several WinMO phones and not one of them has ever provided an upgrade even when they could, not even an offer of a paid one. And the upgrades to my Palm Treo were big fixes because it kept crashing. So I’m very happy. Thanks Apple.

]]> By: JohnNullstream http://jkontherun.com/2009/03/17/iphone-30-underwhelming-super-exciting-or-just-right/#comment-50756 JohnNullstream Tue, 17 Mar 2009 21:46:12 +0000 http://jkontherun.com/?p=31950#comment-50756 As a developer I am super excited. The biggest thing for me is the peer 2 peer networking support. Finally we'll have adhoc gaming like the Nintendo DS. As a developer I am super excited. The biggest thing for me is the peer 2 peer networking support. Finally we’ll have adhoc gaming like the Nintendo DS.

]]> By: oneAwake http://jkontherun.com/2009/03/17/iphone-30-underwhelming-super-exciting-or-just-right/#comment-50754 oneAwake Tue, 17 Mar 2009 20:38:45 +0000 http://jkontherun.com/?p=31950#comment-50754 it's actually both underwhelmed and what I expected. I new Apple would finally enable copy&paste, MMS and stereo bluetooth. I am surprised the iphone will not be able to,combined messege app's, contact aggregation app's, nor will it have a notification system, or have the ability of multitasking app's. Those are the "Pre like features" many were expecting. Lastly, the Webcast seemed more like a gaming/app convention. it’s actually both underwhelmed and what I expected. I new Apple would finally enable copy&paste, MMS and stereo bluetooth. I am surprised the iphone will not be able to,combined messege app’s, contact aggregation app’s, nor will it have a notification system, or have the ability of multitasking app’s. Those are the “Pre like features” many were expecting. Lastly, the Webcast seemed more like a gaming/app convention.

]]> By: tal http://jkontherun.com/2009/03/17/iphone-30-underwhelming-super-exciting-or-just-right/#comment-50753 tal Tue, 17 Mar 2009 20:32:49 +0000 http://jkontherun.com/?p=31950#comment-50753 The real question is - between iphone 3.0 and pre will anyone pay any attention to Android? I really hope either Nokia or RIM buy Palm, that way the pre will get a good back and we get one less non-relevant contender in the smartphone OS race. The real question is – between iphone 3.0 and pre will anyone pay any attention to Android?

I really hope either Nokia or RIM buy Palm, that way the pre will get a good back and we get one less non-relevant contender in the smartphone OS race.

]]> By: drphysx http://jkontherun.com/2009/03/17/iphone-30-underwhelming-super-exciting-or-just-right/#comment-50751 drphysx Tue, 17 Mar 2009 20:17:59 +0000 http://jkontherun.com/?p=31950#comment-50751 Definitely underwhelmed! That won't change anything to my desicion to stay with Winodws Mobile. Will you be writing a "Why 78% aren't impressed with iPhone OS 3.0" article?! You definitely should do this, as you did with Windows Mobile 6.5 (which got me even more excited than iPhone OS 3.0!). In order to catch up with the Pre (and even WinMo in my opinion!) Apple has to deliver the iPhone jailbroken out of the box! It would be so easy... but after all, that's Apple... Definitely underwhelmed! That won’t change anything to my desicion to stay with Winodws Mobile.

Will you be writing a “Why 78% aren’t impressed with iPhone OS 3.0″ article?!

You definitely should do this, as you did with Windows Mobile 6.5 (which got me even more excited than iPhone OS 3.0!).

In order to catch up with the Pre (and even WinMo in my opinion!) Apple has to deliver the iPhone jailbroken out of the box! It would be so easy… but after all, that’s Apple…

]]> By: Vivek - The Technicist http://jkontherun.com/2009/03/17/iphone-30-underwhelming-super-exciting-or-just-right/#comment-50750 Vivek - The Technicist Tue, 17 Mar 2009 20:16:45 +0000 http://jkontherun.com/?p=31950#comment-50750 Yeah, about what I expected. However, it was pretty underwhelming and essentially cements my decision to buy a Pre the next time in the market for a phone. The only thing that might tempt me otherwise is the HTC Magic/TMobile G2, since it'll invariably be at least $300 cheaper (under contract) than an unlocked GSM Pre. I love my iPhone, but, come on....3.0 means something revolutionary, and this update just wasn't. Yeah, about what I expected. However, it was pretty underwhelming and essentially cements my decision to buy a Pre the next time in the market for a phone. The only thing that might tempt me otherwise is the HTC Magic/TMobile G2, since it’ll invariably be at least $300 cheaper (under contract) than an unlocked GSM Pre.

I love my iPhone, but, come on….3.0 means something revolutionary, and this update just wasn’t.

]]> By: Griffon http://jkontherun.com/2009/03/17/iphone-30-underwhelming-super-exciting-or-just-right/#comment-50748 Griffon Tue, 17 Mar 2009 20:05:02 +0000 http://jkontherun.com/?p=31950#comment-50748 Will I be able to finally, FINALLY, itunes sync to my dam computer over bluetooth. Saw stereo bluetooth (A2DP I assume but it could be some apple proprietary crap you never know with theses guys). Sounds like the BT stack is still being heavily restricted which disappointing and we still have to wait to find out the when it will show up and what will actually be in it (how long back was pushed announced?). Given how long it taken them to get this car color me unimpressed but at leas the slightly moved the needle. Will I be able to finally, FINALLY, itunes sync to my dam computer over bluetooth. Saw stereo bluetooth (A2DP I assume but it could be some apple proprietary crap you never know with theses guys). Sounds like the BT stack is still being heavily restricted which disappointing and we still have to wait to find out the when it will show up and what will actually be in it (how long back was pushed announced?). Given how long it taken them to get this car color me unimpressed but at leas the slightly moved the needle.

]]> By: Paul http://jkontherun.com/2009/03/17/iphone-30-underwhelming-super-exciting-or-just-right/#comment-50747 Paul Tue, 17 Mar 2009 20:00:14 +0000 http://jkontherun.com/?p=31950#comment-50747 After this, it's clear: Pre for me. As far as 2009 goes, it is now established that Palm has leapfrogged Apple. Pity, because I like the iPhone 3G hardware, but the software is just so behind, and now we know that 3.0 isn't going to change that. The Pre is like the deep functionality and professionalness of Windows Mobile combined with a GUI that blows even iPhone out of the water, all on a brand-new forward-looking OS. It's a no-brainer. After this, it’s clear: Pre for me. As far as 2009 goes, it is now established that Palm has leapfrogged Apple. Pity, because I like the iPhone 3G hardware, but the software is just so behind, and now we know that 3.0 isn’t going to change that. The Pre is like the deep functionality and professionalness of Windows Mobile combined with a GUI that blows even iPhone out of the water, all on a brand-new forward-looking OS. It’s a no-brainer.

]]> By: Gavin Miller http://jkontherun.com/2009/03/17/iphone-30-underwhelming-super-exciting-or-just-right/#comment-50745 Gavin Miller Tue, 17 Mar 2009 19:52:59 +0000 http://jkontherun.com/?p=31950#comment-50745 Best benefits for me, A2DP, cut n paste, google map access for location apps,push notifications. Now, I recently took the plunge to jailbreak my iPhone and it really demonstrated the potential of this device. Half decent video recording, multitasking, live uplink videostreaming, enhanced camera photos - all are technically possible and I certainly understand people's frustration with Apple's incremental implementation of smartphone features. Best benefits for me, A2DP, cut n paste, google map access for location apps,push notifications.

Now, I recently took the plunge to jailbreak my iPhone and it really demonstrated the potential of this device. Half decent video recording, multitasking, live uplink videostreaming, enhanced camera photos – all are technically possible and I certainly understand people’s frustration with Apple’s incremental implementation of smartphone features.

]]> By: eggnorinse http://jkontherun.com/2009/03/17/iphone-30-underwhelming-super-exciting-or-just-right/#comment-50743 eggnorinse Tue, 17 Mar 2009 19:48:17 +0000 http://jkontherun.com/?p=31950#comment-50743 As a developer the interesting developments to me were allowing turn-buy-turn directions (although map licensing is not included and can be expensive) and the ability to integrate maps into application. There was some nice opening up of access to existing hardware that wasn't before. I'm sure we'll see some interesting developments with some of it. But I'm not sure it should really qualify as 3.0, more like 2.5. As a developer the interesting developments to me were allowing turn-buy-turn directions (although map licensing is not included and can be expensive) and the ability to integrate maps into application.

There was some nice opening up of access to existing hardware that wasn’t before. I’m sure we’ll see some interesting developments with some of it.

But I’m not sure it should really qualify as 3.0, more like 2.5.

]]> By: animatio http://jkontherun.com/2009/03/17/iphone-30-underwhelming-super-exciting-or-just-right/#comment-50740 animatio Tue, 17 Mar 2009 19:35:01 +0000 http://jkontherun.com/?p=31950#comment-50740 just a laugh ... more "de commerce du pomme" as expected. just a laugh … more “de commerce du pomme” as expected.

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