Comments on: 5 Ways Nokia’s Internet Tablet Could Rise From the Ashes http://jkontherun.com/2009/04/09/5-ways-nokias-internet-tablet-could-rise-from-the-ashes/ Using mobile devices since they weighed 30 lbs. Sat, 21 Nov 2009 21:10:32 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Kristian http://jkontherun.com/2009/04/09/5-ways-nokias-internet-tablet-could-rise-from-the-ashes/#comment-60217 Kristian Thu, 04 Jun 2009 08:27:27 +0000 http://jkontherun.com/?p=33465#comment-60217 I have Nokia n810: very slow CPU, cumbersome opening of web pages and switching between applications. It feels like if I'm working on a 486DX with 128 RAM and Windows 3.11, just a portable version. Very slow, unacceptable for mass market and daily use. This is indeed a geek's device, a Linux fan wet dream, but not for the general populace. Nokia has become the sponsor for Linux community, but the internet tablet series are misleading. People read reviews and think it is good for them. I have Nokia n810: very slow CPU, cumbersome opening of web pages and switching between applications. It feels like if I’m working on a 486DX with 128 RAM and Windows 3.11, just a portable version. Very slow, unacceptable for mass market and daily use.

This is indeed a geek’s device, a Linux fan wet dream, but not for the general populace.

Nokia has become the sponsor for Linux community, but the internet tablet series are misleading. People read reviews and think it is good for them.

]]> By: none http://jkontherun.com/2009/04/09/5-ways-nokias-internet-tablet-could-rise-from-the-ashes/#comment-56312 none Fri, 24 Apr 2009 07:37:15 +0000 http://jkontherun.com/?p=33465#comment-56312 Tino (April 10), "doesn't really use battery in standby mode" to me means that I can leave the tablet in standby mode for months, not days, without draining the battery. That is mandatory for a PDA that replaces a paper address book: you have to be able to look up a phone number in it without waiting for a 30 second bootup and without having to charge the battery every day (or evey every week). Tino (April 10), “doesn’t really use battery in standby mode” to me means that I can leave the tablet in standby mode for months, not days, without draining the battery. That is mandatory for a PDA that replaces a paper address book: you have to be able to look up a phone number in it without waiting for a 30 second bootup and without having to charge the battery every day (or evey every week).

]]> By: Devin http://jkontherun.com/2009/04/09/5-ways-nokias-internet-tablet-could-rise-from-the-ashes/#comment-54888 Devin Wed, 15 Apr 2009 01:34:00 +0000 http://jkontherun.com/?p=33465#comment-54888 You basically described the upcoming Nokia N97. You basically described the upcoming Nokia N97.

]]> By: Offbeatmammal http://jkontherun.com/2009/04/09/5-ways-nokias-internet-tablet-could-rise-from-the-ashes/#comment-54384 Offbeatmammal Sat, 11 Apr 2009 22:09:19 +0000 http://jkontherun.com/?p=33465#comment-54384 I've always like the concept of things like the N700/800 devices and UMPCs, but on the whole they don't actually address my needs enough to justify the cost (heck a high end cellphone does all this and more and coupled with a netbook most of the problems are solved) Perosnally I'm hoping for a notepad - http://tinyurl.com/obmnotepad :) I’ve always like the concept of things like the N700/800 devices and UMPCs, but on the whole they don’t actually address my needs enough to justify the cost (heck a high end cellphone does all this and more and coupled with a netbook most of the problems are solved)

Perosnally I’m hoping for a notepad – http://tinyurl.com/obmnotepad :)

]]> By: tino http://jkontherun.com/2009/04/09/5-ways-nokias-internet-tablet-could-rise-from-the-ashes/#comment-54327 tino Sat, 11 Apr 2009 04:13:47 +0000 http://jkontherun.com/?p=33465#comment-54327 none, it really doesn't drain battery in standby mode. It's not even standby mode, you just lock the key. Here is what you need to do, switch to offline mode, then "lock device". That's it. I gaurantee you can use it that way in a whole day without charging. OS2008 use more battery than OS2007 though. none, it really doesn’t drain battery in standby mode. It’s not even standby mode, you just lock the key. Here is what you need to do, switch to offline mode, then “lock device”. That’s it. I gaurantee you can use it that way in a whole day without charging.

OS2008 use more battery than OS2007 though.

]]> By: tino http://jkontherun.com/2009/04/09/5-ways-nokias-internet-tablet-could-rise-from-the-ashes/#comment-54326 tino Sat, 11 Apr 2009 04:09:11 +0000 http://jkontherun.com/?p=33465#comment-54326 Kevin, I am surpriced you provide a list of suggestions that doesn't contain any useful advise. We don't want to pay for another phone. Why do I want to add another device on my phone bill and pay extra 30 bux a month when I can tether to my EVDO phone and use the 10-15/month internet plan that's already attach to the phone? What the Nokia tablet offer is keyboard and bigger screen that's not realistic on a cell phone. It's supposed to be a companian to the phone. What, you want the phone inside the tablet so you can sidetalk on another Nokia gadget? There are already tons of solutions in that space. That includes N95 and N97, plus touch HD and the iPhone. If you multi-task alot, say listening to music, browsing the web whike downloading podcast at the same time; or if you are calling somebody for driving direction, and checking the GPS map at the same time, its easier to do the works on two gadgets with two independent CUP than a single all-in-one device. And the tablet is product of such philosophy. Why force the tablet inside an all-in-one gadget. I much prefer it fine tune the large-screen tasks. Kevin, I am surpriced you provide a list of suggestions that doesn’t contain any useful advise.

We don’t want to pay for another phone. Why do I want to add another device on my phone bill and pay extra 30 bux a month when I can tether to my EVDO phone and use the 10-15/month internet plan that’s already attach to the phone?

What the Nokia tablet offer is keyboard and bigger screen that’s not realistic on a cell phone. It’s supposed to be a companian to the phone. What, you want the phone inside the tablet so you can sidetalk on another Nokia gadget? There are already tons of solutions in that space. That includes N95 and N97, plus touch HD and the iPhone.

If you multi-task alot, say listening to music, browsing the web whike downloading podcast at the same time; or if you are calling somebody for driving direction, and checking the GPS map at the same time, its easier to do the works on two gadgets with two independent CUP than a single all-in-one device. And the tablet is product of such philosophy.

Why force the tablet inside an all-in-one gadget. I much prefer it fine tune the large-screen tasks.

]]> By: Android http://jkontherun.com/2009/04/09/5-ways-nokias-internet-tablet-could-rise-from-the-ashes/#comment-54288 Android Fri, 10 Apr 2009 21:33:33 +0000 http://jkontherun.com/?p=33465#comment-54288 I've enjoyed tweaking the 770/800/810. In some ways it rivals the iPhone. Several great apps (RSS Reader, Cisco VPN, *free* Logmein client, not to mention Flash support). The Maemo community has really made this a valuable device, but its not consumer-grade, which means "offer everything with no effort." Nokia has good build quality and features (removable battery and memory, FM radio, GPS). Even 4G, if you count the 810 WiMax Edition (now defunct, this appears to be a victim of the slow rollout). But to gain popular traction this device needs a faster CPU and a ground-up, user-friendly operating system. Android would offer a more uniform, user-friendly experience. It simply needs to be that simple. I’ve enjoyed tweaking the 770/800/810. In some ways it rivals the iPhone. Several great apps (RSS Reader, Cisco VPN, *free* Logmein client, not to mention Flash support). The Maemo community has really made this a valuable device, but its not consumer-grade, which means “offer everything with no effort.”

Nokia has good build quality and features (removable battery and memory, FM radio, GPS). Even 4G, if you count the 810 WiMax Edition (now defunct, this appears to be a victim of the slow rollout).

But to gain popular traction this device needs a faster CPU and a ground-up, user-friendly operating system. Android would offer a more uniform, user-friendly experience. It simply needs to be that simple.

]]> By: none http://jkontherun.com/2009/04/09/5-ways-nokias-internet-tablet-could-rise-from-the-ashes/#comment-54231 none Fri, 10 Apr 2009 02:58:53 +0000 http://jkontherun.com/?p=33465#comment-54231 Worst thing about the 770/800/810 is that it boots like a laptop: turn it on and you have to wait half a minute or so before you can use it. You can put it in standby mode but that drains the battery. The device would be a lot more interesting if it turned on instantly, like a PDA. I have a 770 and never use it. I thought about getting an 810 but got an Asus EEE PC instead, which is a heck of a lot more useful. If I'm going to put up with the inconvenience of a laptop I may as well have laptop-like features. Worst thing about the 770/800/810 is that it boots like a laptop: turn it on and you have to wait half a minute or so before you can use it. You can put it in standby mode but that drains the battery. The device would be a lot more interesting if it turned on instantly, like a PDA. I have a 770 and never use it. I thought about getting an 810 but got an Asus EEE PC instead, which is a heck of a lot more useful. If I’m going to put up with the inconvenience of a laptop I may as well have laptop-like features.

]]> By: Al http://jkontherun.com/2009/04/09/5-ways-nokias-internet-tablet-could-rise-from-the-ashes/#comment-54227 Al Fri, 10 Apr 2009 02:06:00 +0000 http://jkontherun.com/?p=33465#comment-54227 I agree with everything except the App Store. The system it has now with the repositories is great. It just needs a revamp to make it easier to browse. I agree with everything except the App Store. The system it has now with the repositories is great. It just needs a revamp to make it easier to browse.

]]> By: Charles http://jkontherun.com/2009/04/09/5-ways-nokias-internet-tablet-could-rise-from-the-ashes/#comment-54209 Charles Thu, 09 Apr 2009 21:42:02 +0000 http://jkontherun.com/?p=33465#comment-54209 The successor to the n810 needs to provide a better web experience; for me, this means faster page renditions (faster CPU and/or GPU, Flash support and more pixels (1024 x 600 as a minimum). Connectivity beyond WiFi also seems a necessity - I'd make more use of data than voice on a capable mobile device that could integrate web access, email, SMS and GPS. The successor to the n810 needs to provide a better web experience; for me, this means faster page renditions (faster CPU and/or GPU, Flash support and more pixels (1024 x 600 as a minimum).

Connectivity beyond WiFi also seems a necessity – I’d make more use of data than voice on a capable mobile device that could integrate web access, email, SMS and GPS.

]]> By: Ricky B. http://jkontherun.com/2009/04/09/5-ways-nokias-internet-tablet-could-rise-from-the-ashes/#comment-54192 Ricky B. Thu, 09 Apr 2009 19:48:43 +0000 http://jkontherun.com/?p=33465#comment-54192 Speaking as someone who has developed for Maemo, your statement is slightly inaccurate -- it isn't that we developers on "applications that serve real needs", because we do: we focus on OUR wants and needs. I can't apologize for that and have no wish to. Maybe an "App store" *would* provide some incentive for it. In the meantime, the times the desires of developers and users overlap should be appreciated as the nice gifts they are instead of the rest of the time being demonized, because when you're doing the work for free and for fun, you're not getting paid and it shouldn't feel like work. (Sounds obvious, but... *shrug*) Speaking as someone who has developed for Maemo, your statement is slightly inaccurate — it isn’t that we developers on “applications that serve real needs”, because we do: we focus on OUR wants and needs.

I can’t apologize for that and have no wish to. Maybe an “App store” *would* provide some incentive for it. In the meantime, the times the desires of developers and users overlap should be appreciated as the nice gifts they are instead of the rest of the time being demonized, because when you’re doing the work for free and for fun, you’re not getting paid and it shouldn’t feel like work.

(Sounds obvious, but… *shrug*)

]]> By: cr0ft http://jkontherun.com/2009/04/09/5-ways-nokias-internet-tablet-could-rise-from-the-ashes/#comment-54184 cr0ft Thu, 09 Apr 2009 18:55:39 +0000 http://jkontherun.com/?p=33465#comment-54184 It's never going to get mass market acceptability because it is far too limited, Maemo is an ugly disorganized mess and in general it is not something people want. Sure, for some niche users it's a dream come true, and if Nokia are content with a niche position they can keep selling this thing, but mass acceptance? No way. It’s never going to get mass market acceptability because it is far too limited, Maemo is an ugly disorganized mess and in general it is not something people want.

Sure, for some niche users it’s a dream come true, and if Nokia are content with a niche position they can keep selling this thing, but mass acceptance? No way.

]]> By: turn.self.off http://jkontherun.com/2009/04/09/5-ways-nokias-internet-tablet-could-rise-from-the-ashes/#comment-54172 turn.self.off Thu, 09 Apr 2009 17:59:45 +0000 http://jkontherun.com/?p=33465#comment-54172 some people here may find this interesting: http://blogs.forum.nokia.com/blog/kate-alholas-forum-nokia-blog/2009/04/08/maemo-presentations-in-elc some people here may find this interesting:
http://blogs.forum.nokia.com/blog/kate-alholas-forum-nokia-blog/2009/04/08/maemo-presentations-in-elc

]]> By: turn.self.off http://jkontherun.com/2009/04/09/5-ways-nokias-internet-tablet-could-rise-from-the-ashes/#comment-54171 turn.self.off Thu, 09 Apr 2009 17:28:05 +0000 http://jkontherun.com/?p=33465#comment-54171 mips? the current nokias use ARM. and the next one will most likely be cortex based... mips? the current nokias use ARM. and the next one will most likely be cortex based…

]]> By: Jon Smirl http://jkontherun.com/2009/04/09/5-ways-nokias-internet-tablet-could-rise-from-the-ashes/#comment-54164 Jon Smirl Thu, 09 Apr 2009 17:00:22 +0000 http://jkontherun.com/?p=33465#comment-54164 I have a 770, N800, and iPod touch. I use the touch all of the time. From the day the 770 came out, everyone told them to put a phone into it. Touch's major flaw is no removable media. But it is half the weight. The pair of iPod touch/iPhone was a very powerful combo. Nokia came so close to hitting this and missed. They got everything about 80% right. Hardware was too slow. Software was too complex. No phone. Too heavy. Games have a lot to do with the failure. Apple's focus on OpenGL/ES was the better choice. I have a 770, N800, and iPod touch. I use the touch all of the time. From the day the 770 came out, everyone told them to put a phone into it.

Touch’s major flaw is no removable media. But it is half the weight. The pair of iPod touch/iPhone was a very powerful combo. Nokia came so close to hitting this and missed.

They got everything about 80% right. Hardware was too slow. Software was too complex. No phone. Too heavy.

Games have a lot to do with the failure. Apple’s focus on OpenGL/ES was the better choice.

]]> By: Matt http://jkontherun.com/2009/04/09/5-ways-nokias-internet-tablet-could-rise-from-the-ashes/#comment-54161 Matt Thu, 09 Apr 2009 16:54:34 +0000 http://jkontherun.com/?p=33465#comment-54161 I think it's reasonable to believe that the key for the next generation of these tablets isn't so much whether it has a 3G radio as whether it has an Atom (or Nano) CPU. Launching a new device with a MIPS CPU today seems like a non-starter, because people can point to $200 netbooks to show that kind of power is possible. I own an N810, and I know I won't be paying $400 for a non-Atom device, in 2009. I'm pretty sure Nokia knows, as well. I think it’s reasonable to believe that the key for the next generation of these tablets isn’t so much whether it has a 3G radio as whether it has an Atom (or Nano) CPU. Launching a new device with a MIPS CPU today seems like a non-starter, because people can point to $200 netbooks to show that kind of power is possible. I own an N810, and I know I won’t be paying $400 for a non-Atom device, in 2009. I’m pretty sure Nokia knows, as well.

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