Comments on: Rant: Microsoft Windows Out of Box Experience Sucks http://jkontherun.com/2009/04/19/microsoft-windows-out-of-box-experience-sucks/ Using mobile devices since they weighed 30 lbs. Sun, 22 Nov 2009 02:46:14 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Gadget Merc http://jkontherun.com/2009/04/19/microsoft-windows-out-of-box-experience-sucks/#comment-56522 Gadget Merc Sun, 26 Apr 2009 03:33:47 +0000 http://jkontherun.com/?p=34088#comment-56522 I guess its all how you look at it. I see it as an OEM that doesn't care about its product enough to spend a few hours making sure their product is the best experience out of the box it can be. When should businesses start handing out their product for free? I guess its all how you look at it. I see it as an OEM that doesn’t care about its product enough to spend a few hours making sure their product is the best experience out of the box it can be.

When should businesses start handing out their product for free?

]]> By: Michael http://jkontherun.com/2009/04/19/microsoft-windows-out-of-box-experience-sucks/#comment-56515 Michael Sat, 25 Apr 2009 23:46:21 +0000 http://jkontherun.com/?p=34088#comment-56515 Well the OEMs are being shafted here - they're the ones being overcharged for a product they don't really care about. Why should they spend even more money trying to get it to work whilst M$ gets all the profits? Even at $5 a pop XP would essentially be 100% profit at this point. What margins are manufacturers working on? And as a customer (or should I say, `consumer' - a pejorative term implying that all you do is consume and not produce), if you're going to put up with this abuse you've got nobody to blame but yourself. I just laugh at that guy who has `streamlined' is `image' install to only 5 or so steps (only once a month!). That's really a joke right? ... Right? Well the OEMs are being shafted here – they’re the ones being overcharged for a product they don’t really care about. Why should they spend even more money trying to get it to work whilst M$ gets all the profits? Even at $5 a pop XP would essentially be 100% profit at this point. What margins are manufacturers working on?

And as a customer (or should I say, `consumer’ – a pejorative term implying that all you do is consume and not produce), if you’re going to put up with this abuse you’ve got nobody to blame but yourself.

I just laugh at that guy who has `streamlined’ is `image’ install to only 5 or so steps (only once a month!). That’s really a joke right?

… Right?

]]> By: Des http://jkontherun.com/2009/04/19/microsoft-windows-out-of-box-experience-sucks/#comment-56455 Des Sat, 25 Apr 2009 08:26:57 +0000 http://jkontherun.com/?p=34088#comment-56455 I don't see how folk can be having such problems. None of my pcs has had registry corruption but maybe because that's a result of not installing every piece of rubbish software in the world. I let my pcs auto update but I've learned from experience to let my iMac wait for a while before applying the frequent updates as they seem to cause problems when first released - it's best to wait for rev.2 ! I don’t see how folk can be having such problems. None of my pcs has had registry corruption but maybe because that’s a result of not installing every piece of rubbish software in the world.

I let my pcs auto update but I’ve learned from experience to let my iMac wait for a while before applying the frequent updates as they seem to cause problems when first released – it’s best to wait for rev.2 !

]]> By: Gadget Merc http://jkontherun.com/2009/04/19/microsoft-windows-out-of-box-experience-sucks/#comment-56428 Gadget Merc Sat, 25 Apr 2009 03:04:40 +0000 http://jkontherun.com/?p=34088#comment-56428 Its crazy, there are tons of users that have no problems. It sounds like there is a group that knows how to use it and then there is another group. I do hate all the update prompts, so I just set it to check every two weeks. Its crazy, there are tons of users that have no problems. It sounds like there is a group that knows how to use it and then there is another group.

I do hate all the update prompts, so I just set it to check every two weeks.

]]> By: Pancho http://jkontherun.com/2009/04/19/microsoft-windows-out-of-box-experience-sucks/#comment-56421 Pancho Sat, 25 Apr 2009 01:50:53 +0000 http://jkontherun.com/?p=34088#comment-56421 Microsoft is pathetic. I've used Windows computers for years. I'm jumping ship to Apple as soon as I can afford to, even though I'll have to repurchase much of my imaging software. I'm sick to death of registry corruptions, peripherals becoming suddenly invisible, constant update prompts, and the endless crashes, freezes and reboots. Even their latest Vista and SP upgrades are absolute garbage. MS Windows defenders are either blind, or professional computer programmers who have the time to deal with bug-fixing rather than productivity. I need to work, not fart around debugging their so-called operating system. Microsoft is pathetic. I’ve used Windows computers for years. I’m jumping ship to Apple as soon as I can afford to, even though I’ll have to repurchase much of my imaging software. I’m sick to death of registry corruptions, peripherals becoming suddenly invisible, constant update prompts, and the endless crashes, freezes and reboots.

Even their latest Vista and SP upgrades are absolute garbage.

MS Windows defenders are either blind, or professional computer programmers who have the time to deal with bug-fixing rather than productivity. I need to work, not fart around debugging their so-called operating system.

]]> By: CSMR http://jkontherun.com/2009/04/19/microsoft-windows-out-of-box-experience-sucks/#comment-55828 CSMR Mon, 20 Apr 2009 21:07:37 +0000 http://jkontherun.com/?p=34088#comment-55828 Yes. You shouldn't have to go to a manufacturer's site to download drivers; they should all be on windows update. I don't know if this is something Microsoft can fix or just needs the hardware makers to use the windows update system. Yes. You shouldn’t have to go to a manufacturer’s site to download drivers; they should all be on windows update. I don’t know if this is something Microsoft can fix or just needs the hardware makers to use the windows update system.

]]> By: DGDave http://jkontherun.com/2009/04/19/microsoft-windows-out-of-box-experience-sucks/#comment-55794 DGDave Mon, 20 Apr 2009 17:31:16 +0000 http://jkontherun.com/?p=34088#comment-55794 1, Microsoft are busily bashing Apple whilst trying to (lamely) push Windoze... 2. Microsoft do NOT make hardware - they are pushing software? 3. The educated assumes MS have a record/control of OEM licenses..? If MS want to reinforce points 1-2 and 3 is an accurate assumption, then they MUST ensure that their OEMs have the latest builds, updates? Kevin has a valid point, I hope MS gets it? If they don't then maybe point 3 is lacking? Perhaps in their haste to control the world and the departure of Bill, some minor points were overlooked? 1, Microsoft are busily bashing Apple whilst trying to (lamely) push Windoze…

2. Microsoft do NOT make hardware – they are pushing software?

3. The educated assumes MS have a record/control of OEM licenses..?

If MS want to reinforce points 1-2 and 3 is an accurate assumption, then they MUST ensure that their OEMs have the latest builds, updates? Kevin has a valid point, I hope MS gets it? If they don’t then maybe point 3 is lacking? Perhaps in their haste to control the world and the departure of Bill, some minor points were overlooked?

]]> By: CSMR http://jkontherun.com/2009/04/19/microsoft-windows-out-of-box-experience-sucks/#comment-55782 CSMR Mon, 20 Apr 2009 15:12:06 +0000 http://jkontherun.com/?p=34088#comment-55782 It may be abysmal but you should test this with Vista and, for the forward-looking, Win 7. XP is many years old. Just because it's possible to buy doens't mean it's current; MS even had to be forced to sell it. Everyone knows that MS is not not going to update the OS significantly apart from security updates and MS is quite clear about that I think. You can't expect MS to put on a new update system for an old OS. It may be abysmal but you should test this with Vista and, for the forward-looking, Win 7. XP is many years old. Just because it’s possible to buy doens’t mean it’s current; MS even had to be forced to sell it.
Everyone knows that MS is not not going to update the OS significantly apart from security updates and MS is quite clear about that I think. You can’t expect MS to put on a new update system for an old OS.

]]> By: tino http://jkontherun.com/2009/04/19/microsoft-windows-out-of-box-experience-sucks/#comment-55775 tino Mon, 20 Apr 2009 14:08:46 +0000 http://jkontherun.com/?p=34088#comment-55775 I simply do not bother with .net frame work. It takes up huge amount of space. And for some reason its slower to download .net files. .net, java they are garbage. I also avoid direct-x plugin if i can help it. If a crappy website has to resort to java to offer extra functionality in this days of age, I simply find a better website. I simply do not bother with .net frame work. It takes up huge amount of space. And for some reason its slower to download .net files.

.net, java they are garbage. I also avoid direct-x plugin if i can help it. If a crappy website has to resort to java to offer extra functionality in this days of age, I simply find a better website.

]]> By: Greg http://jkontherun.com/2009/04/19/microsoft-windows-out-of-box-experience-sucks/#comment-55765 Greg Mon, 20 Apr 2009 13:20:20 +0000 http://jkontherun.com/?p=34088#comment-55765 I am not a "geek" like most of those commenting on this but as a "regular" person, the initialization process is extremely frustrating. It would be great if MS (or other OS manufacturers) would provide a stripped down "starter package" with a new system. The starter package would provide just enough resources to get on the MS or the OEM's web site to download the latest greatest. At that point the site would recognize our hardware and download only the required resources. As the system is being updated, it would be wonderful if the site would let the user know which new pieces of software were essential, leaving all the crapware off. Additionally, it would be wonderful for MS to provide software that protects us from all the evil people who are trying to cripple us with worms, viruses, etc.. This is 2009 afterall and having to deal with these kinds of issues should have been made history years ago. I am not a “geek” like most of those commenting on this but as a “regular” person, the initialization process is extremely frustrating. It would be great if MS (or other OS manufacturers) would provide a stripped down “starter package” with a new system. The starter package would provide just enough resources to get on the MS or the OEM’s web site to download the latest greatest. At that point the site would recognize our hardware and download only the required resources. As the system is being updated, it would be wonderful if the site would let the user know which new pieces of software were essential, leaving all the crapware off. Additionally, it would be wonderful for MS to provide software that protects us from all the evil people who are trying to cripple us with worms, viruses, etc.. This is 2009 afterall and having to deal with these kinds of issues should have been made history years ago.

]]> By: Fred Hundt http://jkontherun.com/2009/04/19/microsoft-windows-out-of-box-experience-sucks/#comment-55758 Fred Hundt Mon, 20 Apr 2009 12:35:08 +0000 http://jkontherun.com/?p=34088#comment-55758 You are absolutely right. Six months after switching to Macs for our business, I had to update a relative's PC. What a nightmare! Several hours of teeth-grinding, jargon-deciphering, multiple-iteration frustration. When finished, I had to play with the Mac just to calm down! You are absolutely right. Six months after switching to Macs for our business, I had to update a relative’s PC. What a nightmare! Several hours of teeth-grinding, jargon-deciphering, multiple-iteration frustration. When finished, I had to play with the Mac just to calm down!

]]> By: gordon http://jkontherun.com/2009/04/19/microsoft-windows-out-of-box-experience-sucks/#comment-55746 gordon Mon, 20 Apr 2009 06:06:56 +0000 http://jkontherun.com/?p=34088#comment-55746 I have a similar rant with MS. They put a 1 day embargo on autoupdates!!?? If you do not believe me, then on the morning of May 12, check for updates via IE, but don't download them. Keep checking the status by running IE update manually. You will see that the autoupdate gets downloaded/installed on May 13. And, it makes no difference when during the day you have specified to autoupdate. And it makes no difference if you reboot every hour. Did I miss a memo? I have a similar rant with MS.
They put a 1 day embargo on autoupdates!!??
If you do not believe me, then on the
morning of May 12, check for updates via IE,
but don’t download them. Keep checking
the status by running IE update manually.
You will see that the autoupdate gets
downloaded/installed on May 13.
And, it makes no difference when during
the day you have specified to autoupdate.
And it makes no difference if you reboot
every hour.
Did I miss a memo?

]]> By: animatio http://jkontherun.com/2009/04/19/microsoft-windows-out-of-box-experience-sucks/#comment-55744 animatio Mon, 20 Apr 2009 05:24:46 +0000 http://jkontherun.com/?p=34088#comment-55744 ... that's always the beginning of the illness of MS systems: a blown up, badly maintained registry from the beginning, lots of corpses of installs filling up the hard disk, last not least a cluttered compartment of split up files ..... and the system becomes slower, bulkier, faulty … that’s always the beginning of the illness of MS systems: a blown up, badly maintained registry from the beginning, lots of corpses of installs filling up the hard disk, last not least a cluttered compartment of split up files ….. and the system becomes slower, bulkier, faulty

]]> By: animatio http://jkontherun.com/2009/04/19/microsoft-windows-out-of-box-experience-sucks/#comment-55743 animatio Mon, 20 Apr 2009 05:17:23 +0000 http://jkontherun.com/?p=34088#comment-55743 do NOT mix up OS and thirdparty software. MS claims the licence and control over it - nobody else - that's why resposability lays with them. the OEM merely is a distrubutor of licences. do NOT mix up OS and thirdparty software. MS claims the licence and control over it – nobody else – that’s why resposability lays with them. the OEM merely is a distrubutor of licences.

]]> By: James Kendrick http://jkontherun.com/2009/04/19/microsoft-windows-out-of-box-experience-sucks/#comment-55736 James Kendrick Mon, 20 Apr 2009 03:06:15 +0000 http://jkontherun.com/?p=34088#comment-55736 This unit was shipped direct from Viliv in Korea. Please note that this was by no means the only time I've seen this. I am speaking in general, not specifically to this case. This unit was shipped direct from Viliv in Korea. Please note that this was by no means the only time I’ve seen this. I am speaking in general, not specifically to this case.

]]> By: James Kendrick http://jkontherun.com/2009/04/19/microsoft-windows-out-of-box-experience-sucks/#comment-55735 James Kendrick Mon, 20 Apr 2009 03:04:30 +0000 http://jkontherun.com/?p=34088#comment-55735 Has not changed, still good. :) Has not changed, still good. :)

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