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	<title>Comments on: Palm Should Revive the Foleo as a Netbook</title>
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		<title>By: TomLeeM</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2009/04/23/palm-netbook/#comment-69214</link>
		<dc:creator>TomLeeM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 03:03:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that Palm should re-introduce the Foleo as a netbook. There is a trend for netbooks and Palm should be part of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that Palm should re-introduce the Foleo as a netbook. There is a trend for netbooks and Palm should be part of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Louie Enclona</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2009/04/23/palm-netbook/#comment-66647</link>
		<dc:creator>Louie Enclona</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:37:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A very portable wimax-capable Palm Foleo WebOS tablet with 16x10 scm touchscreen I think would be a better form factor than a netbook.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A very portable wimax-capable Palm Foleo WebOS tablet with 16&#215;10 scm touchscreen I think would be a better form factor than a netbook.</p>
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		<title>By: GrumpyJEL</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2009/04/23/palm-netbook/#comment-64709</link>
		<dc:creator>GrumpyJEL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 15:20:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; Netbook manufacturers found out early on that people want
&gt; Windows, not Linux...
 
No, netbook manufacturers *forced* Windows on users (or were forced to do so by you-know-who).  And because of that, they have LOST a lot of sales they could have made.  Everybody loses on that deal (well, everybody except for predatory vendors).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; Netbook manufacturers found out early on that people want<br />
&gt; Windows, not Linux&#8230;</p>
<p>No, netbook manufacturers *forced* Windows on users (or were forced to do so by you-know-who).  And because of that, they have LOST a lot of sales they could have made.  Everybody loses on that deal (well, everybody except for predatory vendors).</p>
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		<title>By: Ederic</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2009/04/23/palm-netbook/#comment-57107</link>
		<dc:creator>Ederic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 09:20:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Same here. I was really excited about the Foleo, so I was so disappointed when Palm canceled.

I had to settle for the Eee, but the Foleo II will definitely be a welcome news.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Same here. I was really excited about the Foleo, so I was so disappointed when Palm canceled.</p>
<p>I had to settle for the Eee, but the Foleo II will definitely be a welcome news.</p>
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		<title>By: dadren</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2009/04/23/palm-netbook/#comment-56571</link>
		<dc:creator>dadren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 23:52:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a seemingly impossible twist, i would love the pre to fit into a mouse pad position, and become a dedicated touchscreen input device for the foleo. As well as being the source of operating system and G3 connection. While im fantasizing, why not make the foleo battery recharge the pre? And heck, throw some solar collectors on the cover while they are at it!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a seemingly impossible twist, i would love the pre to fit into a mouse pad position, and become a dedicated touchscreen input device for the foleo. As well as being the source of operating system and G3 connection. While im fantasizing, why not make the foleo battery recharge the pre? And heck, throw some solar collectors on the cover while they are at it!!!</p>
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		<title>By: JohnP</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2009/04/23/palm-netbook/#comment-56394</link>
		<dc:creator>JohnP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 20:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was wanting the Foleo when they first announced it. Even now I&#039;ll put it high on my list. The OS and software can make or break it big time! If they open it up for third party software, even old Palm programs, it could have a chance! JohnP</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was wanting the Foleo when they first announced it. Even now I&#8217;ll put it high on my list. The OS and software can make or break it big time! If they open it up for third party software, even old Palm programs, it could have a chance! JohnP</p>
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		<title>By: thegoodreporter</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2009/04/23/palm-netbook/#comment-56358</link>
		<dc:creator>thegoodreporter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 16:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was a long time Palm user and very excited about the Foleo when it was first announced. But a lot has changed in the field since then. Instant on was the real attraction, but now anyone can add instant on to an x86 based machine with Presto&#039;s Linux distro. (http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/19/xandros-instant-on-presto-linux-distro-now-available-for-downlo/)

If I can have Windows 7 and Instant On...why settle for a smart phone OS? 

Now...if Palm were to make Web OS run on x86 processors for an instant on alternative boot-up, THAT would be a winner and I certainly would pay for it as software.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was a long time Palm user and very excited about the Foleo when it was first announced. But a lot has changed in the field since then. Instant on was the real attraction, but now anyone can add instant on to an x86 based machine with Presto&#8217;s Linux distro. (<a href="http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/19/xandros-instant-on-presto-linux-distro-now-available-for-downlo/" rel="nofollow">http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/19/xandros-instant-on-presto-linux-distro-now-available-for-downlo/</a>)</p>
<p>If I can have Windows 7 and Instant On&#8230;why settle for a smart phone OS? </p>
<p>Now&#8230;if Palm were to make Web OS run on x86 processors for an instant on alternative boot-up, THAT would be a winner and I certainly would pay for it as software.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe T.</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2009/04/23/palm-netbook/#comment-56357</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 16:02:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There seem to be two discussions in this thread:

1. James&#039; idea: recoup some of the Foleo investment by converting it to an instant-on WebOS Netbook with 3G.  Ok, maybe, but it&#039;ll compete with Android, Linux, and XP Netbooks.  James says it could be &quot;easily produced using high-end PDA components,&quot; but high-end HP PDAs cost over $400.  And the Foleo was going to cost $700, I think.  Just another Netbook platform, right?  With cost/pricing problems.

2. Foleo concept, of the cellphone being the computer, and the Foleo making it a combined netbook.  There are 6 billion people on earth and 3 billion cellphones.  Many of those 3 billion don&#039;t own a computer (or car or house or ...).  The Foleo had pricing problems and maybe assumed too much of their partners&#039; ability to sync their apps.  But the cellphone-as-computer concept is still a good one, if we look at a recent Microsoft for a USB docking solution for cellphones: http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2009/01/microsoft-paten.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There seem to be two discussions in this thread:</p>
<p>1. James&#8217; idea: recoup some of the Foleo investment by converting it to an instant-on WebOS Netbook with 3G.  Ok, maybe, but it&#8217;ll compete with Android, Linux, and XP Netbooks.  James says it could be &#8220;easily produced using high-end PDA components,&#8221; but high-end HP PDAs cost over $400.  And the Foleo was going to cost $700, I think.  Just another Netbook platform, right?  With cost/pricing problems.</p>
<p>2. Foleo concept, of the cellphone being the computer, and the Foleo making it a combined netbook.  There are 6 billion people on earth and 3 billion cellphones.  Many of those 3 billion don&#8217;t own a computer (or car or house or &#8230;).  The Foleo had pricing problems and maybe assumed too much of their partners&#8217; ability to sync their apps.  But the cellphone-as-computer concept is still a good one, if we look at a recent Microsoft for a USB docking solution for cellphones: <a href="http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2009/01/microsoft-paten.html" rel="nofollow">http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2009/01/microsoft-paten.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2009/04/23/palm-netbook/#comment-56335</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 12:19:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree! Despite the potential attractiveness of a WebOs netbook, I dont think it can success in the marketplace - that&#039;s what I was trying to demontrate in my comment.

I&#039;m also looking at a 5&quot; MID or UMPC. I&#039;m giving the Viliv S5 a serious look. At $600 this device would be far more useful to me than a netbook or laptop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree! Despite the potential attractiveness of a WebOs netbook, I dont think it can success in the marketplace &#8211; that&#8217;s what I was trying to demontrate in my comment.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m also looking at a 5&#8243; MID or UMPC. I&#8217;m giving the Viliv S5 a serious look. At $600 this device would be far more useful to me than a netbook or laptop.</p>
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		<title>By: Baz</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2009/04/23/palm-netbook/#comment-56333</link>
		<dc:creator>Baz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 12:09:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Foleo was never intended to be a standalone machine (like my netbook) but rather, simply big screen liaison with the Treo. Its biggest drawback was that it offered less functionality than the Treo in a larger, more awkward size - only emphasizing the lapses in the OS and 3rd party software like Docs2Go and Blazer browser.

To recreate the Foleo as a cloud machine would seem to be as big a folly. Again, it&#039;ll be reliant on another source for its (limited) functionality, while adding the necessity of an often expensive (and sometimes inaccessible)data plan to get to this source.

Now, if Palm was to create an instant-on netbook running an OS that was at least as powerful as current netbooks, with a full range of onboard programs and storage and that supported peripherals like printers - then yes, that would be something to consider. Otherwise, why bother?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Foleo was never intended to be a standalone machine (like my netbook) but rather, simply big screen liaison with the Treo. Its biggest drawback was that it offered less functionality than the Treo in a larger, more awkward size &#8211; only emphasizing the lapses in the OS and 3rd party software like Docs2Go and Blazer browser.</p>
<p>To recreate the Foleo as a cloud machine would seem to be as big a folly. Again, it&#8217;ll be reliant on another source for its (limited) functionality, while adding the necessity of an often expensive (and sometimes inaccessible)data plan to get to this source.</p>
<p>Now, if Palm was to create an instant-on netbook running an OS that was at least as powerful as current netbooks, with a full range of onboard programs and storage and that supported peripherals like printers &#8211; then yes, that would be something to consider. Otherwise, why bother?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2009/04/23/palm-netbook/#comment-56324</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 10:31:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i dont think netbook is the way to do something else with webos , i think a small thin and cheap 5-7 inch mid would be match better idea .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i dont think netbook is the way to do something else with webos , i think a small thin and cheap 5-7 inch mid would be match better idea .</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2009/04/23/palm-netbook/#comment-56318</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 09:16:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn&#039;t buy such a device.

I also don&#039;t understand why people would want such a thing.
To keep things simple your &#039;netbook&#039; is just the Palm pre with a larger screen, QWERTY keyboard and no phone features (I don&#039;t think you plan to hold a netbook to your ear, and using a headset also isn&#039;t that ideal)
So what&#039;s the benefit over the Palm Pre, iPhone, Win Mobile Phone, Andriod phone. I don&#039;t see any.
You can also attach a small keyboard to your mobile phone, so all you would want is a larger screen. Well, just wait a year, then the pico projectors are more developed and this issue is solved, too.

A netbook gets bought because it is cheap, small and runs Windows and thus can do everything a normal notebook can do. Your netbook is the same just without Windows, what&#039;s the advantage?

I personally use a tablet PC, which is portable and which I carry everywhere around. Then I also have a normal older Nokia phone. My tablet is small enough, fast enough, portable enough. I wouldn&#039;t want a netbook or MID or UMPC. All I would want is a new mobile phone, the size of the Palm Pre with a great OS, best would be the same OS I&#039;ll use on my tablet PC, Win 7, to keep everything as simple as possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t buy such a device.</p>
<p>I also don&#8217;t understand why people would want such a thing.<br />
To keep things simple your &#8216;netbook&#8217; is just the Palm pre with a larger screen, QWERTY keyboard and no phone features (I don&#8217;t think you plan to hold a netbook to your ear, and using a headset also isn&#8217;t that ideal)<br />
So what&#8217;s the benefit over the Palm Pre, iPhone, Win Mobile Phone, Andriod phone. I don&#8217;t see any.<br />
You can also attach a small keyboard to your mobile phone, so all you would want is a larger screen. Well, just wait a year, then the pico projectors are more developed and this issue is solved, too.</p>
<p>A netbook gets bought because it is cheap, small and runs Windows and thus can do everything a normal notebook can do. Your netbook is the same just without Windows, what&#8217;s the advantage?</p>
<p>I personally use a tablet PC, which is portable and which I carry everywhere around. Then I also have a normal older Nokia phone. My tablet is small enough, fast enough, portable enough. I wouldn&#8217;t want a netbook or MID or UMPC. All I would want is a new mobile phone, the size of the Palm Pre with a great OS, best would be the same OS I&#8217;ll use on my tablet PC, Win 7, to keep everything as simple as possible.</p>
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		<title>By: Decade</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2009/04/23/palm-netbook/#comment-56307</link>
		<dc:creator>Decade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 05:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course, OMAP3 and more RAM are incompatible specs. The OMAP3 can handle only 128MB of RAM and 256MB of on-chip flash. Of course, it could handle more flash through its USB and SD interfaces, but that&#039;s slower and takes more power.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, OMAP3 and more RAM are incompatible specs. The OMAP3 can handle only 128MB of RAM and 256MB of on-chip flash. Of course, it could handle more flash through its USB and SD interfaces, but that&#8217;s slower and takes more power.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2009/04/23/palm-netbook/#comment-56296</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 03:39:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm,
If I was to build a Celio sucessor - I&#039;d take the Pre&#039;s hardware and OS, replace the screen and keyboard by a full keyboard &amp; screen, add a GPU and quadruple the battery. Result: a decent little clamshell (think VAIO P) with WIFI, BT, GPS, EVDO RevA (or 3G?), true instant ON (OFF only turns the screen off) on which you can email, browse, edit office type documents etc. for 20 hours on a single charge...
 
Moreover, given the nature of WebOs, accessing and presenting the info of one WebOs device onto another is probably very easy. Now this device could operate on its own, or it could be paired with a Pre, in which case both devices could be using the same logical info (recall that Palm knows all about synching)  - WOW that would be powerful. 

But all this probably has to be priced below the cheapest WinXP netbook of the same size ($400?)... How much for a non-subsidized Pre? Maybe this Celio successor would have a better chance of market success through carriers as a subsidized device...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm,<br />
If I was to build a Celio sucessor &#8211; I&#8217;d take the Pre&#8217;s hardware and OS, replace the screen and keyboard by a full keyboard &amp; screen, add a GPU and quadruple the battery. Result: a decent little clamshell (think VAIO P) with WIFI, BT, GPS, EVDO RevA (or 3G?), true instant ON (OFF only turns the screen off) on which you can email, browse, edit office type documents etc. for 20 hours on a single charge&#8230;</p>
<p>Moreover, given the nature of WebOs, accessing and presenting the info of one WebOs device onto another is probably very easy. Now this device could operate on its own, or it could be paired with a Pre, in which case both devices could be using the same logical info (recall that Palm knows all about synching)  &#8211; WOW that would be powerful. </p>
<p>But all this probably has to be priced below the cheapest WinXP netbook of the same size ($400?)&#8230; How much for a non-subsidized Pre? Maybe this Celio successor would have a better chance of market success through carriers as a subsidized device&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: mr_roboto</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2009/04/23/palm-netbook/#comment-56292</link>
		<dc:creator>mr_roboto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 02:49:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are two reasons why this would fail today. One is the non x86 cpu.  Today&#039;s netbooks may come preloaded with linux, but users have the option of purchasing or loading windows afterwards and having 100% compatibility with the programs they want to run.  The second reason is the amount of ram.  Today&#039;s netbooks typically use standard laptop sodimm ram, which is cheap and plentiful; it is not uncommon to see netbooks with 2gb of ram.  The foleo has 128mb of ram; that&#039;s less ram than the HTC touch pro.  The foleo has a higher resolution screen than the touch pro, and yet the touch pro takes a considerable amount of time to render web pages.  This would undoubtedly be even lengthier on a high resolution screen like the Foleo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are two reasons why this would fail today. One is the non x86 cpu.  Today&#8217;s netbooks may come preloaded with linux, but users have the option of purchasing or loading windows afterwards and having 100% compatibility with the programs they want to run.  The second reason is the amount of ram.  Today&#8217;s netbooks typically use standard laptop sodimm ram, which is cheap and plentiful; it is not uncommon to see netbooks with 2gb of ram.  The foleo has 128mb of ram; that&#8217;s less ram than the HTC touch pro.  The foleo has a higher resolution screen than the touch pro, and yet the touch pro takes a considerable amount of time to render web pages.  This would undoubtedly be even lengthier on a high resolution screen like the Foleo.</p>
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		<title>By: Nate</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2009/04/23/palm-netbook/#comment-56288</link>
		<dc:creator>Nate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 02:25:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like the RedFly, the Foleo depended on a phone for it&#039;s connectivity. Without connectivity I could care less about the apps that are built in, especially when they&#039;re half baked, and for an OS that no one is going to support.

I think the RedFly is probably a pretty good indicator of where the Foleo would have been. Palm was wise to not release it, and they&#039;d do well to keep it that way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like the RedFly, the Foleo depended on a phone for it&#8217;s connectivity. Without connectivity I could care less about the apps that are built in, especially when they&#8217;re half baked, and for an OS that no one is going to support.</p>
<p>I think the RedFly is probably a pretty good indicator of where the Foleo would have been. Palm was wise to not release it, and they&#8217;d do well to keep it that way.</p>
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