Comments on: Maemo 5: Do We Need Another Mobile Platform? http://jkontherun.com/2009/04/29/maemo-5-do-we-need-another-mobile-platform/ Using mobile devices since they weighed 30 lbs. Sun, 22 Nov 2009 17:14:40 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: MarkHu http://jkontherun.com/2009/04/29/maemo-5-do-we-need-another-mobile-platform/#comment-64346 MarkHu Wed, 22 Jul 2009 20:51:01 +0000 http://jkontherun.com/?p=34841#comment-64346 I hear you and feel your pain. Just curious, what do you use now? I hear you and feel your pain. Just curious, what do you use now?

]]> By: johnkzin http://jkontherun.com/2009/04/29/maemo-5-do-we-need-another-mobile-platform/#comment-60323 johnkzin Fri, 05 Jun 2009 04:01:49 +0000 http://jkontherun.com/?p=34841#comment-60323 @thomas: There's a rumor going around that the N900 will, in fact, be a phone. @thomas: There’s a rumor going around that the N900 will, in fact, be a phone.

]]> By: .thomas http://jkontherun.com/2009/04/29/maemo-5-do-we-need-another-mobile-platform/#comment-60268 .thomas Thu, 04 Jun 2009 18:04:50 +0000 http://jkontherun.com/?p=34841#comment-60268 i'm excited about maemo, but i need the next internet tablet / the n900 to be a cell phone as well, since i am not going to carry two devices in my pocket! (keys, wallet, internet device. that's it, what fits in my pockets). i’m excited about maemo, but i need the next internet tablet / the n900 to be a cell phone as well, since i am not going to carry two devices in my pocket! (keys, wallet, internet device. that’s it, what fits in my pockets).

]]> By: Alex http://jkontherun.com/2009/04/29/maemo-5-do-we-need-another-mobile-platform/#comment-58226 Alex Thu, 14 May 2009 03:46:42 +0000 http://jkontherun.com/?p=34841#comment-58226 Maemo is based on solid GPL software... Android is based on upcoming Apache licensed software that can be closed by the carriers, embrace&extend style. I'd rather go with some platform that guarantees my freedom in the future, hopefully developer will get this too. Though i wonder what they're thinking of apps. market like the iPhone has and i think Android? As for split effort, Maemo and Moblin are both at their core linux distribution and they both share common tools, architectures designs and softwares. So except for the top of the pyramid part (the GUI) i'm guessing they can both share 99% of their work! And... though i really wish good luck to projects like Pandora and OpenMoko and would like to see them succeed, i think the our best luck in the short term is going to be with Maemo for those who want a powerful and open tablet/phone. (Yes i love tablets but it seems it has to get a phone until more people switch to VoIP and we get a solution for wireless internet access at a reasonable price!) Nokia is learning a lot and fast with each release of Maemo (been there since the n800, now with an n810), hopefully they'll continue to grow the market for it without alienating the developers. They're opening more and more of the closed source parts from what i can gather. (the wifi driver for one?) Up till now I've been mostly happy but i really need it to become a cell phone as i can't carry 2 devices in my pocket! Maemo is based on solid GPL software… Android is based on upcoming Apache licensed software that can be closed by the carriers, embrace&extend style. I’d rather go with some platform that guarantees my freedom in the future, hopefully developer will get this too.
Though i wonder what they’re thinking of apps. market like the iPhone has and i think Android?

As for split effort, Maemo and Moblin are both at their core linux distribution and they both share common tools, architectures designs and softwares. So except for the top of the pyramid part (the GUI) i’m guessing they can both share 99% of their work!

And… though i really wish good luck to projects like Pandora and OpenMoko and would like to see them succeed, i think the our best luck in the short term is going to be with Maemo for those who want a powerful and open tablet/phone.
(Yes i love tablets but it seems it has to get a phone until more people switch to VoIP and we get a solution for wireless internet access at a reasonable price!)

Nokia is learning a lot and fast with each release of Maemo (been there since the n800, now with an n810), hopefully they’ll continue to grow the market for it without alienating the developers. They’re opening more and more of the closed source parts from what i can gather. (the wifi driver for one?)

Up till now I’ve been mostly happy but i really need it to become a cell phone as i can’t carry 2 devices in my pocket!

]]> By: johnkzin http://jkontherun.com/2009/04/29/maemo-5-do-we-need-another-mobile-platform/#comment-57787 johnkzin Sun, 10 May 2009 11:47:54 +0000 http://jkontherun.com/?p=34841#comment-57787 Amen :-) I just wish Maemo/Mer had a Dalvik runtime (the java-ish appliation runtime engine for Android). Then no one would have to choose between Maemo and Android. Those who want full Linux, run Maemo+Dalvik. Those who don't, just run the basic Android that comes with their device. Amen :-)

I just wish Maemo/Mer had a Dalvik runtime (the java-ish appliation runtime engine for Android). Then no one would have to choose between Maemo and Android. Those who want full Linux, run Maemo+Dalvik. Those who don’t, just run the basic Android that comes with their device.

]]> By: Mike http://jkontherun.com/2009/04/29/maemo-5-do-we-need-another-mobile-platform/#comment-57781 Mike Sun, 10 May 2009 10:55:11 +0000 http://jkontherun.com/?p=34841#comment-57781 You need to get one thing straight: Maemo is the base for everything you see today called ubuntu mobile, moblin, whatever. All are more or less based on gnome mobile which is what goes from maemo to upstream (a lot). Nokia opened most of their maemo stuff, sponsores a lot of projects and is active in the community. Even trying to stay as close as possible to gnome by getting their enhancements upstream. Of course not only because they are nice but because it makes sense to not have a branch of something which then drifts further and further away from the main development - making development harder and more expensive. Android is a completely new development and it is very good for what is does, but it lacks the ability of porting existing apps to it. This is what makes maemo different from android and nice for the community. With maemo5, the next evolution of maemo, not only gnome applications, but also QT applications can be ported. maemo even runs evolution-data-server since the 770 which could give a full address book, calendar, etc. but nobody did seriously go for it, yet. All in all maemo has it's right to be and leads the way in many aspects. We'll just have to see what happens with ubuntu mobile and the other mobile platforms after maemo5 and maybe at some point in the future they can find a common ground so mobile applications can, like on the desktop, be just packaged for the distribution. As soon as this is the case we'll have reached a stable phase. currently it is all in development more or less. You need to get one thing straight: Maemo is the base for everything you see today called ubuntu mobile, moblin, whatever. All are more or less based on gnome mobile which is what goes from maemo to upstream (a lot).

Nokia opened most of their maemo stuff, sponsores a lot of projects and is active in the community. Even trying to stay as close as possible to gnome by getting their enhancements upstream. Of course not only because they are nice but because it makes sense to not have a branch of something which then drifts further and further away from the main development – making development harder and more expensive.

Android is a completely new development and it is very good for what is does, but it lacks the ability of porting existing apps to it. This is what makes maemo different from android and nice for the community. With maemo5, the next evolution of maemo, not only gnome applications, but also QT applications can be ported.

maemo even runs evolution-data-server since the 770 which could give a full address book, calendar, etc. but nobody did seriously go for it, yet.

All in all maemo has it’s right to be and leads the way in many aspects.

We’ll just have to see what happens with ubuntu mobile and the other mobile platforms after maemo5 and maybe at some point in the future they can find a common ground so mobile applications can, like on the desktop, be just packaged for the distribution. As soon as this is the case we’ll have reached a stable phase. currently it is all in development more or less.

]]> By: A.T. http://jkontherun.com/2009/04/29/maemo-5-do-we-need-another-mobile-platform/#comment-57250 A.T. Mon, 04 May 2009 22:58:49 +0000 http://jkontherun.com/?p=34841#comment-57250 Ricky, what if there is no Symbian and S60 in couple of years? one emulator for "playing ageing .sis files" and that's it... ;) Ricky, what if there is no Symbian and S60 in couple of years? one emulator for “playing ageing .sis files” and that’s it… ;)

]]> By: theluketaylor http://jkontherun.com/2009/04/29/maemo-5-do-we-need-another-mobile-platform/#comment-57168 theluketaylor Sun, 03 May 2009 22:50:57 +0000 http://jkontherun.com/?p=34841#comment-57168 nokia abandoning maemo for android would be a huge blow to the internet tablets as the stable of open source tools and applications would be lost. A project to bring android apps to maemo would be an excellent idea. maemo shares a lot of features and goals with moblin but they are distinct projects. Moblin is looking to be a customizable netbook/mid distro for vendors to package with their devices. maemo is nokia's research playground and tightly coupled to their device. The 2 projects already share code as the hildon libs nokia developed are in moblin and the clutter library intel bought for moblin is in fremantle. Both nokia and intel have also invested heavily in the linix kernel power subsystem and each is benefiting in the other's work. nokia abandoning maemo for android would be a huge blow to the internet tablets as the stable of open source tools and applications would be lost. A project to bring android apps to maemo would be an excellent idea.

maemo shares a lot of features and goals with moblin but they are distinct projects. Moblin is looking to be a customizable netbook/mid distro for vendors to package with their devices. maemo is nokia’s research playground and tightly coupled to their device. The 2 projects already share code as the hildon libs nokia developed are in moblin and the clutter library intel bought for moblin is in fremantle. Both nokia and intel have also invested heavily in the linix kernel power subsystem and each is benefiting in the other’s work.

]]> By: yerga http://jkontherun.com/2009/04/29/maemo-5-do-we-need-another-mobile-platform/#comment-57119 yerga Sat, 02 May 2009 15:30:38 +0000 http://jkontherun.com/?p=34841#comment-57119 Just wait to when Maemo 5 and the next version are released and the devices (in plural) that Nokia is going to launch running Maemo. When they launch the next device running Maemo 5 it will be the most powerful device Nokia will have in that moment. Nokia is continously hiring people to work in Maemo even with the actual crisis (they have hired hundreds in the last months), I think this is a really positive thing for the future of Maemo. Just wait to when Maemo 5 and the next version are released and the devices (in plural) that Nokia is going to launch running Maemo. When they launch the next device running Maemo 5 it will be the most powerful device Nokia will have in that moment.

Nokia is continously hiring people to work in Maemo even with the actual crisis (they have hired hundreds in the last months), I think this is a really positive thing for the future of Maemo.

]]> By: johnkzin http://jkontherun.com/2009/04/29/maemo-5-do-we-need-another-mobile-platform/#comment-57033 johnkzin Fri, 01 May 2009 17:37:21 +0000 http://jkontherun.com/?p=34841#comment-57033 (just wanted to add a subscription, since I hadn't before) (just wanted to add a subscription, since I hadn’t before)

]]> By: johnkzin http://jkontherun.com/2009/04/29/maemo-5-do-we-need-another-mobile-platform/#comment-56937 johnkzin Thu, 30 Apr 2009 23:54:37 +0000 http://jkontherun.com/?p=34841#comment-56937 No, it's not a valid question... today. It was a valid question 3 years ago, when Maemo came out. Now the question is "what is Maemo's place the mobile picture". It's way too late to ask whether or not it should exist. And I specifically don't want to see Maemo integrated into Symbian. I'd MUCH rather see Symbian go the way of the dodo, and have Nokia replace it with Maemo. No, it’s not a valid question… today.

It was a valid question 3 years ago, when Maemo came out. Now the question is “what is Maemo’s place the mobile picture”. It’s way too late to ask whether or not it should exist.

And I specifically don’t want to see Maemo integrated into Symbian. I’d MUCH rather see Symbian go the way of the dodo, and have Nokia replace it with Maemo.

]]> By: turn.self.off http://jkontherun.com/2009/04/29/maemo-5-do-we-need-another-mobile-platform/#comment-56909 turn.self.off Thu, 30 Apr 2009 16:27:03 +0000 http://jkontherun.com/?p=34841#comment-56909 @Kevin, technically they already do, as moblin makes use of the hildon interface framework (or at least did with moblin1) that nokia developed for its tablets. and hildon is a extension (or wathever you want to call it) of GTK, the very same UI framework that gnome (of ubuntu fame) uses. @Kevin, technically they already do, as moblin makes use of the hildon interface framework (or at least did with moblin1) that nokia developed for its tablets. and hildon is a extension (or wathever you want to call it) of GTK, the very same UI framework that gnome (of ubuntu fame) uses.

]]> By: fab http://jkontherun.com/2009/04/29/maemo-5-do-we-need-another-mobile-platform/#comment-56906 fab Thu, 30 Apr 2009 16:08:52 +0000 http://jkontherun.com/?p=34841#comment-56906 freedom of choice. i am more than happy that there are several and different platforms. there's always something that suits you. you would not write this article about OSX or Windows 7 if you're an apple fan or into microsoft. thanks to the x-hundred GNU/Linux distros out there I was able to find the one that suits me best. if there were only windows xp or vista, I would be gardening to have more colors freedom of choice. i am more than happy that there are several and different platforms. there’s always something that suits you. you would not write this article about OSX or Windows 7 if you’re an apple fan or into microsoft. thanks to the x-hundred GNU/Linux distros out there I was able to find the one that suits me best. if there were only windows xp or vista, I would be gardening to have more colors

]]> By: Gailoo Tune http://jkontherun.com/2009/04/29/maemo-5-do-we-need-another-mobile-platform/#comment-56905 Gailoo Tune Thu, 30 Apr 2009 16:07:41 +0000 http://jkontherun.com/?p=34841#comment-56905 Hello Kevin, We are working on S60 platform and its backend is too strong. In fect today we have launched a caller tune application that is not possible on any platform so far and was restricted to service provider's walled garden. For the first time we brought an add-on service from operator's domain to mobile device as a software application. Only thing S60 is lacking a nice front end GUI and if Meamo added on S60 backend it will be a deadly combination that can rule the mobile platform. BTW, Caller Tune application for Nokia Phones can be downloaded from http://www.ritsoft.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=17&Itemid=32 Give it a try and see if this is possible on any other platform Press Release: http://www.ritsoft.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=15&Itemid=29 Hello Kevin,

We are working on S60 platform and its backend is too strong. In fect today we have launched a caller tune application that is not possible on any platform so far and was restricted to service provider’s walled garden. For the first time we brought an add-on service from operator’s domain to mobile device as a software application.

Only thing S60 is lacking a nice front end GUI and if Meamo added on S60 backend it will be a deadly combination that can rule the mobile platform.

BTW, Caller Tune application for Nokia Phones can be downloaded from http://www.ritsoft.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=17&Itemid=32

Give it a try and see if this is possible on any other platform

Press Release:
http://www.ritsoft.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=15&Itemid=29

]]> By: Nate http://jkontherun.com/2009/04/29/maemo-5-do-we-need-another-mobile-platform/#comment-56894 Nate Thu, 30 Apr 2009 14:26:58 +0000 http://jkontherun.com/?p=34841#comment-56894 Man. You need to download Canola 2. It turns a NIT into one of the best media players on the market. Man. You need to download Canola 2. It turns a NIT into one of the best media players on the market.

]]> By: Kevin C. Tofel http://jkontherun.com/2009/04/29/maemo-5-do-we-need-another-mobile-platform/#comment-56882 Kevin C. Tofel Thu, 30 Apr 2009 12:23:03 +0000 http://jkontherun.com/?p=34841#comment-56882 I suspect you're right Ricky. I'm still wondering though: maybe it would make more sense for Nokia to join up with the Moblin project and pool resources. Both parties would benefit from that and perhaps make a more compelling platform. I suspect you’re right Ricky. I’m still wondering though: maybe it would make more sense for Nokia to join up with the Moblin project and pool resources. Both parties would benefit from that and perhaps make a more compelling platform.

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