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	<title>Comments on: Google Voice Number Portability Has a Unique Challenge</title>
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		<title>By: NiTRo</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2009/06/22/google-voice-number-portability-has-a-unique-challenge/#comment-72558</link>
		<dc:creator>NiTRo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 00:33:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve had some experience with phone numbers being used as account/billing numbers.  I&#039;ve managed PBXs for several years, ranging from 50 to 9,000 extensions per system.

Most of the trunking I&#039;ve done to the PSTN has been on T1 PRI circuits.  In many cases, when upgrading the trunks at a small site, I would want to port the main phone number for a given site (which is already established for several years in the phone book, 411 &amp; corporate promotional materials) away from a T1 circuit &amp; have it ported to a different carrier or forward to a newer number.  9 times out of 10, the site&#039;s main number was the BTN (Billing Telephone Number) for that circuit/trunk.  Meaning that number was used as a reference all throughout the carrier&#039;s billing system &amp; also in several instances in the actual config of the trunk in the carrier&#039;s CO switch.  

Just breaking that number out of a trunk and either porting it or turning it into a remote call forward would require the local carrier to rebuild the entire trunk, taking anywhere from 5 to 10 days to process the order &amp; also causing a few hours of no service while the trunk is being reconfigured.  The months that follow would result in billing issues because the old number is still stuck in their billing system &amp; is still posting a monthly charge alongside the new BTN that the carrier established for the trunk.

The two are tied together in many instances.  Cleanest way to port your number would be to port to Google Voice (whenever they offer it), let you old cell die as the previous carrier closes the account when the port is complete, then open a whole new account for your existing cell phone with the wireless carrier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve had some experience with phone numbers being used as account/billing numbers.  I&#8217;ve managed PBXs for several years, ranging from 50 to 9,000 extensions per system.</p>
<p>Most of the trunking I&#8217;ve done to the PSTN has been on T1 PRI circuits.  In many cases, when upgrading the trunks at a small site, I would want to port the main phone number for a given site (which is already established for several years in the phone book, 411 &amp; corporate promotional materials) away from a T1 circuit &amp; have it ported to a different carrier or forward to a newer number.  9 times out of 10, the site&#8217;s main number was the BTN (Billing Telephone Number) for that circuit/trunk.  Meaning that number was used as a reference all throughout the carrier&#8217;s billing system &amp; also in several instances in the actual config of the trunk in the carrier&#8217;s CO switch.  </p>
<p>Just breaking that number out of a trunk and either porting it or turning it into a remote call forward would require the local carrier to rebuild the entire trunk, taking anywhere from 5 to 10 days to process the order &amp; also causing a few hours of no service while the trunk is being reconfigured.  The months that follow would result in billing issues because the old number is still stuck in their billing system &amp; is still posting a monthly charge alongside the new BTN that the carrier established for the trunk.</p>
<p>The two are tied together in many instances.  Cleanest way to port your number would be to port to Google Voice (whenever they offer it), let you old cell die as the previous carrier closes the account when the port is complete, then open a whole new account for your existing cell phone with the wireless carrier.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2009/06/22/google-voice-number-portability-has-a-unique-challenge/#comment-72163</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 23:51:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to work for Verizon and although I can&#039;t speak for the account side of things, I can tell you that on the network side, customers are not identified by their phone number, but rather their MSID... If you originated your service with Verizon (meaning you didn&#039;t port another number in or change your number for any reason), then your MSID is most likely the same as your phone number, but they don&#039;t have to be the same... something to think about</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to work for Verizon and although I can&#8217;t speak for the account side of things, I can tell you that on the network side, customers are not identified by their phone number, but rather their MSID&#8230; If you originated your service with Verizon (meaning you didn&#8217;t port another number in or change your number for any reason), then your MSID is most likely the same as your phone number, but they don&#8217;t have to be the same&#8230; something to think about</p>
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		<title>By: Bill H</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2009/06/22/google-voice-number-portability-has-a-unique-challenge/#comment-71448</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 15:29:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I too have ported numbers out and had new numbers issued to the same service.  

The carrier (in this case I think it was TMO?) was more than happy to do so, because they kept a customer where they usually loose one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too have ported numbers out and had new numbers issued to the same service.  </p>
<p>The carrier (in this case I think it was TMO?) was more than happy to do so, because they kept a customer where they usually loose one.</p>
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		<title>By: Hady</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2009/06/22/google-voice-number-portability-has-a-unique-challenge/#comment-67221</link>
		<dc:creator>Hady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 07:40:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw this earlier today, http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/09/02/google-voice-alternative-line2-is-now-live-on-the-app-store/ 
Signed up, so far a big thumbs up. I set up all the auto attendent features tonight so no calls to test on yet but as far as the iPhone calling/voice mail goes I&#039;m very impressed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw this earlier today, <a href="http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/09/02/google-voice-alternative-line2-is-now-live-on-the-app-store/" rel="nofollow">http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/09/02/google-voice-alternative-line2-is-now-live-on-the-app-store/</a><br />
Signed up, so far a big thumbs up. I set up all the auto attendent features tonight so no calls to test on yet but as far as the iPhone calling/voice mail goes I&#8217;m very impressed.</p>
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		<title>By: Dylan</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2009/06/22/google-voice-number-portability-has-a-unique-challenge/#comment-67184</link>
		<dc:creator>Dylan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 20:42:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey what up man I need a invite so I can use this I need this so bad</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey what up man I need a invite so I can use this I need this so bad</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2009/06/22/google-voice-number-portability-has-a-unique-challenge/#comment-66640</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 11:21:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris,
If you try this, let us know how it works out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris,<br />
If you try this, let us know how it works out.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Cooper</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2009/06/22/google-voice-number-portability-has-a-unique-challenge/#comment-66632</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 07:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I am correct, that should leave you with a new number, the old number ported to GV, and no new 2year contract.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I am correct, that should leave you with a new number, the old number ported to GV, and no new 2year contract.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Cooper</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2009/06/22/google-voice-number-portability-has-a-unique-challenge/#comment-66631</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 06:59:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Getting back to the original problem of porting while still under contract, I was wondering if this would work: 1)Sign up for an additional number under family plan without getting new phone. 2)Ask AT&amp;T to transfer remaining contract to new number. 3)Port old number to google voice. Would that work?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Getting back to the original problem of porting while still under contract, I was wondering if this would work: 1)Sign up for an additional number under family plan without getting new phone. 2)Ask AT&amp;T to transfer remaining contract to new number. 3)Port old number to google voice. Would that work?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2009/06/22/google-voice-number-portability-has-a-unique-challenge/#comment-66529</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 19:17:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Number portability doesn&#039;t require an account to close.  I&#039;ve ported numbers and the previous carrier just assigns a new number to the old device.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Number portability doesn&#8217;t require an account to close.  I&#8217;ve ported numbers and the previous carrier just assigns a new number to the old device.</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle Garvin</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2009/06/22/google-voice-number-portability-has-a-unique-challenge/#comment-65996</link>
		<dc:creator>Michelle Garvin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 00:00:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>3jam is similiar to Google Voice, how do they solve the problem of the account being closed when the phone number is ported away?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>3jam is similiar to Google Voice, how do they solve the problem of the account being closed when the phone number is ported away?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2009/06/22/google-voice-number-portability-has-a-unique-challenge/#comment-65775</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 18:15:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Several months ago I had my personal phone with Sprint, my wifes phone also with Sprint, and a business phone with MetroPCS. I wanted an iPhone for my personal phone, which required moving to ATT. But I HATED Metro PCS... So I wanted to keep my numbers the same but move the lines around. Therefore the trickery happens!

I was advised by Sprint that when I port my phone number to ATT, my Sprint line would automatically close (my account would remain open because my wife was still on it, but that line would cease along with its contract start date-expired), but since I was prequalified for 2 lines already, that I could open a new line with Sprint (back up to 2 accounts, my business and wife) and port the MetroPCS phone number to Sprint. Sprint was obviously better than Metro as far as quality was concerned, hence the reason for the wanted change.

Anyways, I battled with Sprint about this saying that I did not want to lock into a new contract with a new line as they indicated I would have to do. I told them &quot;my contract with my existing line is done, its up..... I could cancel now and not port a new one in at no penalty and your loss...&quot; After an hour of debate they finally gave in telling me that after my line is closed from ATT porting my number out, they would open a new line and use the existing contract date, that it was extremely rare they would do this, and its my lucky day. They even tried the &quot;what can we do to keep you as a customer&quot; pitch... I told them &quot;that&#039;s what I&#039;m trying to do- you&#039;re making it difficult...&quot;

Anyways, all in all, at least with Sprint you can fight to the bitter end to retain your contract status if and when Google allows porting in, and seemingly will have no differences on your account overall---I don&#039;t know about ATT or Verizon which is your case.

Additionally, if you only have 1 line on your account, at least I have done this back in 2004. (again with Sprint) I was not thrilled with the price of one of my bills. So I threatened to cancel my line. Rep said OK.. So I did it. Oops. I didn&#039;t really want to! lol  Anyways, I called back a day or 2 later and explained that somehow it got canceled, maybe a miss communication, and I need it back. They gladly reinstated my account and put the same contract start date back on the account. So, in case when you port out, you can say you didn&#039;t know it would close your entire account, maybe they will just bring it back online for you with a new number??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Several months ago I had my personal phone with Sprint, my wifes phone also with Sprint, and a business phone with MetroPCS. I wanted an iPhone for my personal phone, which required moving to ATT. But I HATED Metro PCS&#8230; So I wanted to keep my numbers the same but move the lines around. Therefore the trickery happens!</p>
<p>I was advised by Sprint that when I port my phone number to ATT, my Sprint line would automatically close (my account would remain open because my wife was still on it, but that line would cease along with its contract start date-expired), but since I was prequalified for 2 lines already, that I could open a new line with Sprint (back up to 2 accounts, my business and wife) and port the MetroPCS phone number to Sprint. Sprint was obviously better than Metro as far as quality was concerned, hence the reason for the wanted change.</p>
<p>Anyways, I battled with Sprint about this saying that I did not want to lock into a new contract with a new line as they indicated I would have to do. I told them &#8220;my contract with my existing line is done, its up&#8230;.. I could cancel now and not port a new one in at no penalty and your loss&#8230;&#8221; After an hour of debate they finally gave in telling me that after my line is closed from ATT porting my number out, they would open a new line and use the existing contract date, that it was extremely rare they would do this, and its my lucky day. They even tried the &#8220;what can we do to keep you as a customer&#8221; pitch&#8230; I told them &#8220;that&#8217;s what I&#8217;m trying to do- you&#8217;re making it difficult&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Anyways, all in all, at least with Sprint you can fight to the bitter end to retain your contract status if and when Google allows porting in, and seemingly will have no differences on your account overall&#8212;I don&#8217;t know about ATT or Verizon which is your case.</p>
<p>Additionally, if you only have 1 line on your account, at least I have done this back in 2004. (again with Sprint) I was not thrilled with the price of one of my bills. So I threatened to cancel my line. Rep said OK.. So I did it. Oops. I didn&#8217;t really want to! lol  Anyways, I called back a day or 2 later and explained that somehow it got canceled, maybe a miss communication, and I need it back. They gladly reinstated my account and put the same contract start date back on the account. So, in case when you port out, you can say you didn&#8217;t know it would close your entire account, maybe they will just bring it back online for you with a new number??</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2009/06/22/google-voice-number-portability-has-a-unique-challenge/#comment-64962</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 11:30:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have already done this using Vitelity communications. I ported my number to them and setup a forward to my GV number. Vitelity is dirt cheap and once Google starts porting in numbers it will be a quick port (Vitelity uses Level3) and Vitelity says they will refund any remaining balance in the account.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have already done this using Vitelity communications. I ported my number to them and setup a forward to my GV number. Vitelity is dirt cheap and once Google starts porting in numbers it will be a quick port (Vitelity uses Level3) and Vitelity says they will refund any remaining balance in the account.</p>
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		<title>By: Bubba</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2009/06/22/google-voice-number-portability-has-a-unique-challenge/#comment-64389</link>
		<dc:creator>Bubba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 18:29:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why would something that is an end user issue (what a customer must do to save his account), have anything to do with Google Voice delaying porting in?  It&#039;s not Google&#039;s problem.  If someone wants to port their wireless number to Google Voice but get another wireless number, I would think calling the wireless carrier and telling them what you plan to do may help.  All Google Voice needs to do is remind customers a port out may cancel their service and result in early cancellation fees.  I&#039;m waiting for Google Voice to allow porting in so I can transfer a number I&#039;m saving on a VOIP service I no longer need, so I have none of these issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why would something that is an end user issue (what a customer must do to save his account), have anything to do with Google Voice delaying porting in?  It&#8217;s not Google&#8217;s problem.  If someone wants to port their wireless number to Google Voice but get another wireless number, I would think calling the wireless carrier and telling them what you plan to do may help.  All Google Voice needs to do is remind customers a port out may cancel their service and result in early cancellation fees.  I&#8217;m waiting for Google Voice to allow porting in so I can transfer a number I&#8217;m saving on a VOIP service I no longer need, so I have none of these issues.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2009/06/22/google-voice-number-portability-has-a-unique-challenge/#comment-63763</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 15:40:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has anyone considered that this may be a step toward a true MVNO for Google?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has anyone considered that this may be a step toward a true MVNO for Google?</p>
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		<title>By: Larry R</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2009/06/22/google-voice-number-portability-has-a-unique-challenge/#comment-62397</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 19:12:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want to port my home number to Google Voice.   Yes,  you are right,  if you port you number and call from a new home number,  the caller ID will list the new number.  I Don&#039;t care. It they call direct, so be it but I think I can explain it to most of my contacts when they question the new number.  I think if you expain the &quot;One Number Concept&quot; and that calling the &quot;Real&quot; number directly has less of a chance to get in touch then the Google Voice number.  It also potentually will require one to dial the additional numbers if no answer.

The issue I have is my wife doesn&#039;t want to give up our Phone Number as it is unlisted and have had it for years.  People we only speak with once in a while have it.  I would prefer that people call me on the Google Voice number so I can use its features but I just want to drop my Land Line expense and use Magicjack as a Landline.

I hear rumors that Google Voice is working on Apps that will get around the &quot;People seeing the Actual Number&quot;.  You can also dial your Google Voice number and then dial the number and it will show your Google Voice number.  Kind of a pain but if is really is important to you,  this is a current option.  I am also sure that you can program the phone book in your home phones to do this your you automatically.

Google,  help me save my $60 month by allowing me to port my home phone to you</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to port my home number to Google Voice.   Yes,  you are right,  if you port you number and call from a new home number,  the caller ID will list the new number.  I Don&#8217;t care. It they call direct, so be it but I think I can explain it to most of my contacts when they question the new number.  I think if you expain the &#8220;One Number Concept&#8221; and that calling the &#8220;Real&#8221; number directly has less of a chance to get in touch then the Google Voice number.  It also potentually will require one to dial the additional numbers if no answer.</p>
<p>The issue I have is my wife doesn&#8217;t want to give up our Phone Number as it is unlisted and have had it for years.  People we only speak with once in a while have it.  I would prefer that people call me on the Google Voice number so I can use its features but I just want to drop my Land Line expense and use Magicjack as a Landline.</p>
<p>I hear rumors that Google Voice is working on Apps that will get around the &#8220;People seeing the Actual Number&#8221;.  You can also dial your Google Voice number and then dial the number and it will show your Google Voice number.  Kind of a pain but if is really is important to you,  this is a current option.  I am also sure that you can program the phone book in your home phones to do this your you automatically.</p>
<p>Google,  help me save my $60 month by allowing me to port my home phone to you</p>
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		<title>By: Sanjay</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2009/06/22/google-voice-number-portability-has-a-unique-challenge/#comment-62193</link>
		<dc:creator>Sanjay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 01:20:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin - it is all good when you port your number to GV. However from then onwards, all calls you make from your cell phone will show up on your contacts phone with the new number - right? Isn&#039;t that going to be more confusing to them. That is the problem I currently have. When I make an outgoing call now using GV, folks ask me if I changed my number and if they should update their address book. I hate having to go thru&#039; the whole explanation. Interested in knowing what would be your solution to this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin &#8211; it is all good when you port your number to GV. However from then onwards, all calls you make from your cell phone will show up on your contacts phone with the new number &#8211; right? Isn&#8217;t that going to be more confusing to them. That is the problem I currently have. When I make an outgoing call now using GV, folks ask me if I changed my number and if they should update their address book. I hate having to go thru&#8217; the whole explanation. Interested in knowing what would be your solution to this?</p>
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