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		<title>By: Bob Sherunkle</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2009/06/28/do-you-believe-hacking-your-phone-is-allowed/#comment-72726</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Sherunkle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 14:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Raj.</description>
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		<title>By: Abdul</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2009/06/28/do-you-believe-hacking-your-phone-is-allowed/#comment-70653</link>
		<dc:creator>Abdul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 12:13:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh please be quiet, you inconsiderate waste of space. Let colonel bullcock have his word.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh please be quiet, you inconsiderate waste of space. Let colonel bullcock have his word.</p>
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		<title>By: Vijay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vijay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 12:15:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shut up mate, u r chatting crap its like my shit in the bog</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shut up mate, u r chatting crap its like my shit in the bog</p>
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		<title>By: Griffon</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2009/06/28/do-you-believe-hacking-your-phone-is-allowed/#comment-62819</link>
		<dc:creator>Griffon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 07:52:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t consider anything like a EUL binding in anyway. A one sided contract that I can&#039;t negotiate on means absolutely nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t consider anything like a EUL binding in anyway. A one sided contract that I can&#8217;t negotiate on means absolutely nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: Griffon</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2009/06/28/do-you-believe-hacking-your-phone-is-allowed/#comment-62818</link>
		<dc:creator>Griffon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 07:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seriously, it&#039;s my property I will do what I want with it, anyone who things otherwise can take a long walk off a short pier. EUL blah blah blah, I own it I can play with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seriously, it&#8217;s my property I will do what I want with it, anyone who things otherwise can take a long walk off a short pier. EUL blah blah blah, I own it I can play with it.</p>
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		<title>By: Negrito</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2009/06/28/do-you-believe-hacking-your-phone-is-allowed/#comment-62756</link>
		<dc:creator>Negrito</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 18:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I bought it, i can do what i want with it. If i buy an iPhone and have the means to put Windows xp on it, then that&#039;s my perogative. If i have an HTC Diamond (windows mobile smartphone), and want to run Android on it then that&#039;s my choice. 

However, should i break it then the &#039;carrier&#039; might chose not to service it. That is their choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I bought it, i can do what i want with it. If i buy an iPhone and have the means to put Windows xp on it, then that&#8217;s my perogative. If i have an HTC Diamond (windows mobile smartphone), and want to run Android on it then that&#8217;s my choice. </p>
<p>However, should i break it then the &#8216;carrier&#8217; might chose not to service it. That is their choice.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Zatz</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2009/06/28/do-you-believe-hacking-your-phone-is-allowed/#comment-62730</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Zatz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 15:32:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s my phone, I can blow it up to my hearts content. I don&#039;t advocate stealing service, but if I want to replace or modify my system I will. The grey area is something like running SlingPlayer - I can do it via jailbreak but AT&amp;T has clearly stated that it&#039;s not OK.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s my phone, I can blow it up to my hearts content. I don&#8217;t advocate stealing service, but if I want to replace or modify my system I will. The grey area is something like running SlingPlayer &#8211; I can do it via jailbreak but AT&amp;T has clearly stated that it&#8217;s not OK.</p>
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		<title>By: Economyst</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2009/06/28/do-you-believe-hacking-your-phone-is-allowed/#comment-62716</link>
		<dc:creator>Economyst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 13:52:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the end it boils down to the TOS and EULA of your telecoms contract and software agreement.

If you buy the phones subsidised from the carrier then you will have to expect that in return for the lower price they want to restrict your use of the phone. 

Think of it as a hire purchase agreement where at the end of your contract the phone is yours for £0.00 or free.

I find that equitable but EULA seem to be very restrictive. 

If I buy a phone sim free with say Winmo on it and then I remove winmo and replace it with Android I am not breaking my EULA. 

However if I remove winmo and install a cooked ROM then it is clear you have broken the EULA not in removing the old ROM but installing a cooked ROM which you did not pay for. As you now have 2 ROM - the original and cooked ROM.

Why do Phone manufacturers pay little attention to this? Simple when you buy the hardware you buy it with the origianl ROM / o/s pre-installed. So the phone manufacturer and o/s vendor are not losing a sale when you install a cooked ROM - because the cooked ROM was never available from the vendor in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the end it boils down to the TOS and EULA of your telecoms contract and software agreement.</p>
<p>If you buy the phones subsidised from the carrier then you will have to expect that in return for the lower price they want to restrict your use of the phone. </p>
<p>Think of it as a hire purchase agreement where at the end of your contract the phone is yours for £0.00 or free.</p>
<p>I find that equitable but EULA seem to be very restrictive. </p>
<p>If I buy a phone sim free with say Winmo on it and then I remove winmo and replace it with Android I am not breaking my EULA. </p>
<p>However if I remove winmo and install a cooked ROM then it is clear you have broken the EULA not in removing the old ROM but installing a cooked ROM which you did not pay for. As you now have 2 ROM &#8211; the original and cooked ROM.</p>
<p>Why do Phone manufacturers pay little attention to this? Simple when you buy the hardware you buy it with the origianl ROM / o/s pre-installed. So the phone manufacturer and o/s vendor are not losing a sale when you install a cooked ROM &#8211; because the cooked ROM was never available from the vendor in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2009/06/28/do-you-believe-hacking-your-phone-is-allowed/#comment-62680</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 13:08:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a contract with Alltel soon to be Verizon. I have the ability to tether with my phone now under the contract that I signed. I still have 14 months left on my contract and Verizon tells me that I can not tethering under their system. I signed the contract in &quot;good faith&quot; but Verizon intends to screw me by telling me if I want to tether I have to pay an additional fee. They don&#039;t seem to mind breaking the contract, why should I?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a contract with Alltel soon to be Verizon. I have the ability to tether with my phone now under the contract that I signed. I still have 14 months left on my contract and Verizon tells me that I can not tethering under their system. I signed the contract in &#8220;good faith&#8221; but Verizon intends to screw me by telling me if I want to tether I have to pay an additional fee. They don&#8217;t seem to mind breaking the contract, why should I?</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2009/06/28/do-you-believe-hacking-your-phone-is-allowed/#comment-62679</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 13:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Allowed: clearly no.  Should be allowed: absolutely yes.

I agree with most people that, when you sign up for service, you are (in most cases) putting your name on a contract saying that you won&#039;t hack the phone.  Therefore, at least you should be prepared for whatever consequences come about if you do hack your phone (e.g. no support, termination of service, additional fees, etc...).

It&#039;s also worthy to mention that, when you get a phone under most agreements, no, you do not really own your phone outright.  The carrier is willing to let the phone go at a drastically reduced price on certain conditions, among those that you commit to a certain plan for a certain amount of time and that you follow the terms of service.  I&#039;ve never gotten out of a contract early, but I suspect if you do that, the carrier will either 1) want the phone back, or 2) want the difference between the MSRP of the phone and whatever discounted price you got for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Allowed: clearly no.  Should be allowed: absolutely yes.</p>
<p>I agree with most people that, when you sign up for service, you are (in most cases) putting your name on a contract saying that you won&#8217;t hack the phone.  Therefore, at least you should be prepared for whatever consequences come about if you do hack your phone (e.g. no support, termination of service, additional fees, etc&#8230;).</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also worthy to mention that, when you get a phone under most agreements, no, you do not really own your phone outright.  The carrier is willing to let the phone go at a drastically reduced price on certain conditions, among those that you commit to a certain plan for a certain amount of time and that you follow the terms of service.  I&#8217;ve never gotten out of a contract early, but I suspect if you do that, the carrier will either 1) want the phone back, or 2) want the difference between the MSRP of the phone and whatever discounted price you got for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Ivy</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2009/06/28/do-you-believe-hacking-your-phone-is-allowed/#comment-62677</link>
		<dc:creator>Ivy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 11:58:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, absolutely. It is not allowed but its still in practice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, absolutely. It is not allowed but its still in practice.</p>
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		<title>By: Conall Bullock</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2009/06/28/do-you-believe-hacking-your-phone-is-allowed/#comment-62673</link>
		<dc:creator>Conall Bullock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 10:36:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oops.. sorry... mispelt again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oops.. sorry&#8230; mispelt again.</p>
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		<title>By: Conall Bullock</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2009/06/28/do-you-believe-hacking-your-phone-is-allowed/#comment-62672</link>
		<dc:creator>Conall Bullock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 10:35:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Typo in my website url...</description>
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		<title>By: Conall Bullock</title>
		<link>http://jkontherun.com/2009/06/28/do-you-believe-hacking-your-phone-is-allowed/#comment-62671</link>
		<dc:creator>Conall Bullock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 10:33:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The question is &quot;Do You Believe Hacking Your Phone Is Allowed?&quot; and the answer is &quot;absolutely!&quot;

It is YOUR phone. You bought it, paid for it and can do with it as you will. If it came with a contract to a provider you are still legally obligated to fulfil that contract but the carrier is in no more of a position to tell you what you can or cannot do with your phone than the manufacturer is.

The iPhone is a good example. Apple cannot legally stop you from hacking the phone but they can &quot;brick&quot; your phone via software updates without fear of reprisal as you are modding thier software. If you installed something elso on the device, say linux for example, then you arent affected in any way.

I myself use a Windows Mobile device (The HTC Diamond) and have successfully hacked it to network unlock it (as I have more than one sim card) and installed a better version of the OS and the RADIO (basically the HAL for a mobile phone that makes the hardware talk to the OS). I am not using any software I dont have a licence for and am using several programs I have purchased for the WM platform.

If you use pirated software that is an entirely different matter and has nothing to do with hacking the phone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The question is &#8220;Do You Believe Hacking Your Phone Is Allowed?&#8221; and the answer is &#8220;absolutely!&#8221;</p>
<p>It is YOUR phone. You bought it, paid for it and can do with it as you will. If it came with a contract to a provider you are still legally obligated to fulfil that contract but the carrier is in no more of a position to tell you what you can or cannot do with your phone than the manufacturer is.</p>
<p>The iPhone is a good example. Apple cannot legally stop you from hacking the phone but they can &#8220;brick&#8221; your phone via software updates without fear of reprisal as you are modding thier software. If you installed something elso on the device, say linux for example, then you arent affected in any way.</p>
<p>I myself use a Windows Mobile device (The HTC Diamond) and have successfully hacked it to network unlock it (as I have more than one sim card) and installed a better version of the OS and the RADIO (basically the HAL for a mobile phone that makes the hardware talk to the OS). I am not using any software I dont have a licence for and am using several programs I have purchased for the WM platform.</p>
<p>If you use pirated software that is an entirely different matter and has nothing to do with hacking the phone.</p>
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		<title>By: Tahsin Pekmez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tahsin Pekmez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 10:24:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To begin with I must state I buy my phones unlocked and unsubsidized.  Even if that weren&#039;t the case, have no problem with hacking a device to configure it as I like to use it, filling the functionality holes the &quot;standard issue&quot; has left.  A smartphone by definition is a small form-factor computer, with it&#039;s own limitations (usage, resources, i/o etc).  No less.

The main reason I went for Windows Mobile instead of the fruity kind is the walled garden said fruit company has set up: Come on, no filesystem access?  No &quot;save as&quot; on the browser?  Can&#039;t install my own app/put a data file on it through usb/can&#039;t send a file over wifi/BT on a computing device I hold in my hand (where it&#039;s clear the hardware can do it)?  Jeez..  And I thought Microsoft was restrictive, it&#039;s now clear even MS is an angel of openness by comparison..  (I do like the Android but it&#039;s not available over here, and currently MS has more of the kind of software I need).

(As long as it&#039;s not stealing service or pirating software) hacking to get more from a device is not only OK and tons of geeky fun, it&#039;s a moral imperative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To begin with I must state I buy my phones unlocked and unsubsidized.  Even if that weren&#8217;t the case, have no problem with hacking a device to configure it as I like to use it, filling the functionality holes the &#8220;standard issue&#8221; has left.  A smartphone by definition is a small form-factor computer, with it&#8217;s own limitations (usage, resources, i/o etc).  No less.</p>
<p>The main reason I went for Windows Mobile instead of the fruity kind is the walled garden said fruit company has set up: Come on, no filesystem access?  No &#8220;save as&#8221; on the browser?  Can&#8217;t install my own app/put a data file on it through usb/can&#8217;t send a file over wifi/BT on a computing device I hold in my hand (where it&#8217;s clear the hardware can do it)?  Jeez..  And I thought Microsoft was restrictive, it&#8217;s now clear even MS is an angel of openness by comparison..  (I do like the Android but it&#8217;s not available over here, and currently MS has more of the kind of software I need).</p>
<p>(As long as it&#8217;s not stealing service or pirating software) hacking to get more from a device is not only OK and tons of geeky fun, it&#8217;s a moral imperative.</p>
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		<title>By: serwei</title>
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		<dc:creator>serwei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 09:40:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oops some typos: &quot;it is not to *primarily* allow piracy.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oops some typos: &#8220;it is not to *primarily* allow piracy.&#8221;</p>
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